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i would guess that testosterone and estrongen come to play in the wild for many years that have heavily favored the most masculine chams.

i have yet to encounter males with unsually low testosterone, usually a nice territory sunshine and feeders are all a cham needs to fit the bill of a male mater. But I have observed distinct differences, some veileds are super skinny and long, they usually grow out to have that same body shape, but they are certainly not the super ripped chams I have come across. my last veiled from fl chams was jackkkkked

I have had no experience with males that do not show interest in females, so I wouldn't know either, because i've heard of some that for whatever reason won't mate whether it be bad care or bad genes but i guess the possibilities could be endless.

In my short span of raising 20 or so veileds from baby to maturity, i have come across many masculine females, but not too many feminine males, some males were not as masculine as others, but none cross the barrier of girlyman

this leads me to conclude, probably through natural selection and selective breeding of super chams, a larger stronger female mate in the wild is more suited ( a female with high estrogen and testosterone) than one with estrogen and low testosterone.

same thing in humans, humans have an instinct when picking out mates to subconciously analynze microexpressions and features.

many men may not want to admit it, but male humans with high testosterone, like myself, tend to seek mates that are taller and more fit. for example you would want a female with a strong chin/jaw bone rather than one with no chin or 5 chins....,

i would say the same thing in veileds, there are a lot of these manly females with tiny spurs prolly because breeding has favored that due to protection of the clutch, a somewhat manly female can both shelter her eggs while developing and fight to protect them much better than a less masculine female who falls easy prey when gravid. also only the most elite males can mate with these super females because they are so badass and can fight off everything not super. my question becomes if my theory is true, how have there habits in the wild made it down to the actual eggs in the clutch. I guess my theory may have some holes in it, like maybe there are more crap chams than any of us will ever know about unless some can enlighten

and i would continue to say the reason there are less girlmen chams is because natural selection in the wild has rooted most of those poor genes out, and say for some instance there are a few week ones in every clutch, they are the ones in the wild who will die off and if they don't have trouble finding a mate anyway, because most of the masculine females will fight them off in hope of mating with a super male, and most less masculine females will already have been killed or impregnated by a more dominant male, which ultimately keeps the girlyman population to a low

anyways just a thought
 
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i would guess that testosterone and estrongen come to play.

i have yet to encounter males with unsually low testosterone, usually a nice territory sunshine and feeders are all a cham needs to fit the bill of a male mater.

I have had no experience with males that do not show interest in females, so I wouldn't know either, because i've heard of some that for whatever reason won't mate whether it be bad care or bad genes.

In my short span of raising 20 or so veileds from baby to mature, i have come across many masculine females, but not too many feminine males, some males were not as masculine as others, but none cross the barrier of girlyman

to take it further i would say this is probably so through natural selection and breeding, a larger stronger mate in the wild is more suited ( a female with high estrogen and testosterone) than one with estrogen and low testosterone.

same thing in humans, humans have an instinct when picking out mates to subconciously analynze microexpressions and features.

many men may not want to admit it, but male humans with high testosterone, like myself, tend to seek mates that are taller and more fit. for example you would want a female with a strong chin bone rather than one with no chin or 5 chins....

i would argue the same thing in veileds, there are a lot of these manly females with tiny spurs because breeding has favored that due to protection of the clutch, a manly female can both shelter her clutch while developing and fight to protect them much better than a less masculine female. also only the most elite males can mate with these super females because they are so badass

and i would continue to argue the reason there are less girlmen chams is because natural selection in the wild has rooted most of those poor genes out, and say for some instance there are a few week ones in every clutch, they are the ones in the wild who will die off and if they don't have trouble finding a mate anyway, because most of the masculine females will fight them off in hope of mating with a super male, and most less masculine females will already have been killed or impregnated by a more dominant male, which ultimately keeps the girlyman population to a low

as for human girly men, i wish i could find a way to lower their population


LOL... I voted for Arnold here in Cali... To intimedate all those "Girlymen" in Congress. "The Govenator!'.

That's a great take on it Dank... Makes a lot of sense. You just helped me secure the new name for her..."Butch"..lol That way if I wake up and suddenly his Hemes drop over night it can go either way...lol
I wansn't going to breed this Cham... But I think for a fem those are some killer genes...and I may consider mating her later on.

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All your chams are so lucky to be so healthy and happy in your hands...they definitely look amazing! The colours are stunning...and am particularly in love with the panthers!
 
Very nice chameleons Joe! They definitely look happy, healthy, and well cared for.:) And as far as cuervo goes, I vote female as well. CUERVINA!!!
 
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