Providing Snails?

[Tortdad]

I want snails and stick bugs

 

[Andee]

Eh it depends on if I selling the snail eggs as human consumption things or animal consumption etc. I may be able to do both. But I know human consumption would require an annoying amount of regulations to follow that's aren't necessary in so many ways. I just don't see the point. I will certainly enjoy having some snails on hand for myself though once their stomachs are correctly purged. I also found a new arborial species of reptile I would die to work with down the road. But of course would need more space.

 

[Dave85731]

@Andee do you sell stick bugs?... I live in California also

 

[Franquixote]

"...you need some sort of self-sustaining system that doesn't involve daily maintenance"

DOH!
Ahhhh so stupid forgot there was the bio-active option- which like you said must be like mana from heaven for them!

 

[jamest0o0]

You NEED bio for snails or you will most definitely go crazy cleaning lol

 

[Andee]

@Andee do you sell stick bugs?... I live in California also

I do when there is enough to sell, currently I am not, but I often sell them

And yeah I would use specifically isos with the snails... maybe some springtail but if I get grains mites there will be no need for the springtails

 

[jamest0o0]

I have mites and springtails, with the amount of waste they seem to be cohabitate lol. I have so many springtails that they crushed half a cucumber in a week

 

[Andee]

Yeah that's what I worry about with happy springtails.... They just get such a big population going and in a snail tank it's hard to control

 

[jamest0o0]

Why would you want to control it

 

[JacksJill]

I found most of my original snails up under the eaves of neighbors house after it rains, the neighbor that hardly mows or pulls weeds.

 

[Andee]

because springtails will become an issue if there are too many. And I don't have many areas to rehome my springtails.... I don't have many enclosures where they are useful honestly XD

 

[jamest0o0]

How on earth are springtails an issue lol?

 

[jamest0o0]

Never heard that, ever, John courtney smith and the Arcadia people advocate having as many as possible in the enclosure. I love them and see them as a necessity in every planted enclosure.

 

[Andee]

In invert enclosures they can outcompete the species you are trying to keep and generally annoy certain species. It's why I never keep them with my millipedes etc. Idk what the aracdia people keep as far as animals. Whether it's just vertebrates or inverts as well. I think having springtails is awesome, but in snail enclosures and millipedes enclosures it become dangerous for the animals I try to keep. Also I don't keep them with my T's at all.

 

[jamest0o0]

I can't speak for other inverts, but usually springtails are the ones outcompeted by isopods or mites. I really don't know much about keeping T's or mill is, but can you give me an example of them being dangerous? No disrespect, just curious

 

[Andee]

With T's and millis they easily get stressed by things constantly climbing on them which is what springtail are known to do in captivity with them, just one example currently, not in front of computer

 

[Franquixote]

I was breaking down the tank that I had my snails in today and look what I found!

Not sure if they are still viable, but I'm going to take care of them and see what happens.

They are way bigger than I thought they would be, they were laid in one big batch in the corner. I was using 100% coir.

It stayed moist but I had the tank outside for a week. Night temps went down into the low 60's or maybe upper 50's. I'm glad we didn't get a downpour, I think they have stayed moist at least.

 

[Andee]

They look fine most look like they have an embryo

 

[jamest0o0]

@Andee I've seen that actually, mites and springs seem to crawl all over my snails, but haven't seen any negative affects from it. I wouldn't think they'd even realize with how small they are. But to each their own, I'm sure your inverts are well taken care of, personally I'd use springs, but we have our own ways of doing things.

 

[Andee]

@Andee I've seen that actually, mites and springs seem to crawl all over my snails, but haven't seen any negative affects from it. I wouldn't think they'd even realize with how small they are. But to each their own, I'm sure your inverts are well taken care of, personally I'd use springs, but we have our own ways of doing things.

I am not sure if it would bother snails or not? Snails are kind of like... tanks and just... derp along? XD But what I would be most worried about is them bothering my T's and millis. Since usually in the wild the T's can get away from springtails easily and millipedes in the wild can produce their noxious chemicals without any issues if truly bothered... I just don't take chances with those two. My milli's are worth about 40 dollars a piece and they aren't even adults yet. And my T's will be worth 500 dollars as mature adults in the long run (if we are talking monetary wise). This is the money I could easily make off them. As slings the T babies themselves would sell for 70 dollars each. The thing is there are almost no captive breeding groups of these specific T's in the states. And the millipedes are bought up so fast that often wild pedes are caught to round it out. I want to stop that. Especially since these pedes are feeling the stress in the import trade.