Red thing came out of my panther ambi's butt!

[PedroANDAshley]

Yes I would deff. use reptaid before going to the vet for what he will prolly prescribe, baytril, cuz baytril can be harsh on reptiles.

 

[KingJulien]

Update

I just wanted to post an update on my cham since I know other noobs will search for reference and for other's experiences. After the first morning he blew bubbles, he seemed to get better, and the next day he seemed just fine, he shed and seemed a little restless but otherwise he seemed fine. The third day (yesterday) he had bubbles again when we woke up. We went to the vet first thing that morning. The vet prescribed baytril and now we're on day two of antibiotics. The trip to the vet and being forced to drink the antibiotic have been stressful for the poor little guy. He's mad at me and just grumpy in general. Hopefully he will get better soon. He's still eating and drinking and pooping but I can tell he's just not feeling well. Poor guy.

 

[PedroANDAshley]

Honestly if he gets lethargic or frail or stops eating on that baytril
I would throw it away and go with the reptaid.
It works for URIs it really does and its all natural so it doesnt make the animal frail
and its an apitiete booster.
Baytril is so so harsh on reptiles :/
Id deff. keep an eye on him

 

[KingJulien]

Honestly if he gets lethargic or frail or stops eating on that baytril
I would throw it away and go with the reptaid.
It works for URIs it really does and its all natural so it doesnt make the animal frail
and its an apitiete booster.
Baytril is so so harsh on reptiles :/
Id deff. keep an eye on him

Thanks I am watching him carefully. I try to avoid medications when possible but it seemed like this infection was not going to go away on its own.

 

[Matt1851]

Thanks I am watching him carefully. I try to avoid medications when possible but it seemed like this infection was not going to go away on its own.

like PedroANDAshley said id stick to reptaid. Never used it myself but after some thurough reading and from peoples recomendations i would strongly recomend it. It seems to work wonders!

Heres a link of the ingredients and what they can do.

http://www.reptaid.com/reptaidingredients.htm

 

[KingJulien]

like PedroANDAshley said id stick to reptaid. Never used it myself but after some thurough reading and from peoples recomendations i would strongly recomend it. It seems to work wonders!

Heres a link of the ingredients and what they can do.

http://www.reptaid.com/reptaidingredients.htm

Not to start a war over reptaid, but what evidence is there showing that it actually kills parasites or bacteria? I have just finished taking some pre-nursing classes on Chemistry, Physiology, Anatomy, and Microbiology. Obviously, human anatomy and physiology are different, but there are some similarities. Two different professors (with extensive medical backgrounds) scoffed at modern herbal/homeopathic supplements and remedies, unprompted by student questions. Antibiotics serve a very specific purpose and are unmatched by herbal remedies.

This is not to say that there isn't empirical evidence that it is helpful, but notice on the reptaid website that the link that is supposed to direct you to more information directs you here: http://www.biochemresearch.com/

It is very concerning to me that I could wait for an herbal remedy to work and it might not kill the bacteria, or it might help for a period of time leaving the bacterial infection to show its ugly head at a later date.

I am certainly not an expert, so I would love to hear the opinion of a qualified vet or scientist.

 

[KingJulien]

You know what? I'm going to post my previous as a topic requesting professional opinion. I know there are a few on these boards.

 

[PedroANDAshley]

Well for one I have used it on a baby panther cham like Ive already said and it saved her life and boosted her immune system and her appitiete and now shes on the road to recovery.

Where as when she was on baytril she was lathargic, didnt eat much, devolped a case of gular which is a sign of the beginnings of kidney failure which is also a danger of baytril.
Also the stress of having to administer the baytril and the stress of the URI its self lowers the immune system :/

I mean im no scientist either or a vet but there are a good number of testimonials.
http://www.reptaid.com/testimonials.htm

I cant vouch for the parasite removal or anything like that and you can choose wether or not to believe the testomonials.

But I CAN vouch for the URI.
It saved my babys life.

 

[KingJulien]

Well for one I have used it on a baby panther cham like Ive already said and it saved her life and boosted her immune system and her appitiete and now shes on the road to recovery.

Where as when she was on baytril she was lathargic, didnt eat much, devolped a case of gular which is a sign of the beginnings of kidney failure which is also a danger of baytril.
Also the stress of having to administer the baytril and the stress of the URI its self lowers the immune system :/

I mean im no scientist either or a vet but there are a good number of testimonials.
http://www.reptaid.com/testimonials.htm

I cant vouch for the parasite removal or anything like that and you can choose wether or not to believe the testomonials.

But I CAN vouch for the URI.
It saved my babys life.

Thanks, and I'm glad it worked out for your cham. I would gladly switch to the reptaid, but not without reason. Understand that at the bottom of the page, it says: "*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease."

Anyone can create an herbal remedy and say it does anything at all, with no scientific study, trials, or evidence of any sort. All they have to do is put that disclaimer at the bottom. So I'm sure you can understand my hesitation.

 

[PedroANDAshley]

Well one of the TOP BREEDERS in washington state, actually the top breeder.
Who also worked with the reptaid makers to come up with the product.
(Sany and Elliot @ chameleonsnorthwest)
Almost NEVER take theyre chams to the vet because they use this stuff on all of theyre chams and it works.
The only time they see a vet is if its they HAVE TO (i.e surgery, broken leg, brink of death, ect ect.)

but I understand your hesitation, all i can do is give you my personal experience

 

[KingJulien]

Well one of the TOP BREEDERS in washington state, actually the top breeder.
Who also worked with the reptaid makers to come up with the product.
(Sany and Elliot @ chameleonsnorthwest)
Almost NEVER take theyre chams to the vet because they use this stuff on all of theyre chams and it works.
The only time they see a vet is if its they HAVE TO (i.e surgery, broken leg, brink of death, ect ect.)

but I understand your hesitation, all i can do is give you my personal experience

I appreciate both your understanding and you sharing your experience. Thanks.

 

[SoCaliSon]

Well, it was sort of a cold, except a cold is caused by a virus. Maybe it would be more accurate to say it was like bronchitis, which is caused by an infection. He said some of his other chameleons had had the same thing before we bought him but he never got it. The stress of moving and then shedding today probably weakened his immune system enough to make him vulnerable. He told me what he would do, which was to wait and see if he got better. When I first noticed the bubbles yesterday morning it seemed like he was uncomfortable but not weakened and he steadily got better. It's the same tactic I would use when deciding if I should use medication on myself or my family. If the body's immune system can quickly fight off an invasion on its' own, then that's the best thing. If someone is pretty uncomfortable and it looks like it might worth it, then medicate. Maybe I just got lucky this time, but it seems to have worked out fine for my little guy.

I wanted to respnd to this... So very sorry to jump back a bit in the thread.

The point that I was making about the "cold" thing is not so much that I don't think that a chameleon can catch a cold, virus, or something of the sorts...Cause I know chams get sick... I was saying I would be hesitant of the breeder who uses the terminology "Caught a cold". I have never heard an experienced Keeper use that terminology when speaking of a sick cham. Why? It leads me to believe that the animal is sick... and the breeder or keeper is just unsure, or unconcerned in finding out what the animal is really suffering from.

EXAMPLE*When an animal is wheezing and gaping with fluid coming out there mouth... It is easy to look at it and say they caught a cold. That is what I would expect the inexperienced keeper to say. The experienced keeper would recognize these as common symptoms of Respiratory Infection, would recongnize that the cham must have developed it for a reason... Address any issues in husbandry that may have caused it... and consulted a vet for any specific treatement that may need to be done.

In most cases these animals have very speific ailments... that were cause for a very specific reason... and need to be treated in a very specific way.

A breeder with sick chams... (A. Should know why they are sick B) Should be taking steps to fix it C) Should not be selling sick animals to the public.

 

[KingJulien]

I wanted to respnd to this... So very sorry to jump back a bit in the thread.

The point that I was making about the "cold" thing is not so much that I don't think that a chameleon can catch a cold, virus, or something of the sorts...Cause I know chams get sick... I was saying I would be hesitant of the breeder who uses the terminology "Caught a cold". I have never heard an experienced Keeper use that terminology when speaking of a sick cham. Why? It leads me to believe that the animal is sick... and the breeder or keeper is just unsure, or unconcerned in finding out what the animal is really suffering from.

EXAMPLE*When an animal is wheezing and gaping with fluid coming out there mouth... It is easy to look at it and say they caught a cold. That is what I would expect the inexperienced keeper to say. The experienced keeper would recognize these as common symptoms of Respiratory Infection, would recongnize that the cham must have developed it for a reason... Address any issues in husbandry that may have caused it... and consulted a vet for any specific treatement that may need to be done.

In most cases these animals have very speific ailments... that were cause for a very specific reason... and need to be treated in a very specific way.

A breeder with sick chams... (A. Should know why they are sick B) Should be taking steps to fix it C) Should not be selling sick animals to the public.

I hear you, trust me I do. In his defense (or to play devil's advocate), I think he was just oversimplifying the explanation by saying he had a cold, and he thought the infection had run its course in his other animals and had somehow skipped over mine.

I'm seeing both sides of this. I guess how I feel about it in the end will be determined by how healthy my little guy is after this infection is cleared up. Poor little guy. This is not a good way for him to get used to me, by me forcing medicine on him.

 

[SoCaliSon]

Best of luck with your little one. Hope everything works out well for you.

Also... there are tons of experienced reputable breeders sponsoring this site that would love to sell you a healthy chameleon(with it's flu shotsjk) in the future.

Sorry your having to go through this with your new guy.

 

[KingJulien]

Best of luck with your little one. Hope everything works out well for you.

Also... there are tons of experienced reputable breeders sponsoring this site that would love to sell you a healthy chameleon(with it's flu shotsjk) in the future.

Sorry your having to go through this with your new guy.

Thank you, I appreciate it. Hopefully I'll be posting some nice healthy pics of him soon.