repashy cal + , finally

[arnau666]

just got my repashy calcium plus !!!
ok so this product is amazing !!! i got 16 oz to have for 3 chams.
it smells crazy i would eat it myself lol !
impecable product , im so happy i finally got it !
im just curios if this product will change kiwi in a good way .
and expires on 06.2014

 

[arnau666]

i just read on the product and this is what is says :
refrigerated will extend the products life.

does anyone refrigerated their repashy calcium plus ?
if so, how much does it extend the product expiration date?

 

[Lathelia]

I got my around a week ago too, where did you get it from? I'm still not sure how often should I use it. Now I do like half the time pure calcium, other half repashy+

 

[arnau666]

I got my around a week ago too, where did you get it from? I'm still not sure how often should I use it. Now I do like half the time pure calcium, other half repashy+

i got it from amazon ,much cheaper than europe .i spent like 30$ on 16oz and shipping . but i ordered it from amazon becose i ordered a reptibreeze and other supplies.

well i want to use it daily, no other supplement is required .
but from time to time i want to give it 3-7 days brake with no supplement.

 

[Psychobunny]

I use it myself on cricks and roaches.
I dont dust silkies or any other kind of worm.
Also remember, your veiled may enjoy some leafy greens a few times a week.
If he will eat it, need to take that into consideration when supplimenting.

I wish my panthers would eat veggies

 

[UrbanChameleon]

I keep all of my Calcium Plus, Crested Gecko Diet, Cricket Crack, and Superload in the fridge. It keeps it extremely fresh, in my opinion. I can tell a big difference if I leave a small amount the Cal Plus left out, as opposed to in the fridge. Also.. keep it sealed. My RCP was damaged during shipping, so I keep the original packaging in a zip lock too. So it's extra fresh!

 

[tkilgour]

It should extend the life 2 + years, but you should contact Allen Repashy to be positive. My DinoFuel has a 2 + year shelf life if kept refrigerated too. So that makes complete sense.

 

[Lathelia]

i got it from amazon ,much cheaper than europe .i spent like 30$ on 16oz and shipping . but i ordered it from amazon becose i ordered a reptibreeze and other supplies.

well i want to use it daily, no other supplement is required .
but from time to time i want to give it 3-7 days brake with no supplement.

Wow, I got mine for around the same price, but only 8oz
I'm worried if I use it every day I will overdo it. Have you read the last thread about it? I think using it daily may be too much if you're using good gut load

 

[Olimpia]

I got large quantities of Repashy products a couple weeks ago and keep a small amount in an air-tight jar in the reptile room and the rest is in the fridge. With the amount of calcium and such that I ordered, I'll probably be set for at least a couple years so keeping it in the fridge is important.

 

[UrbanChameleon]

It should extend the life 2 + years, but you should contact Allen Repashy to be positive. My DinoFuel has a 2 + year shelf life if kept refrigerated too. So that makes complete sense.

That's good to know because I finally ordered some from you.

I thought it would do well in the fridge, where I keep my other gutloads and supplements. The crickets went crazy! I was really shocked, because they'd just had Cricket Crack the day before. I really want to order some Bug Burger to mix with it. I'd love to hear your Dinofuel Raptor recipes. I'm sure you have some good ones.

 

[Dr O]

i just read on the product and this is what is says :
refrigerated will extend the products life.

does anyone refrigerated their repashy calcium plus ?
if so, how much does it extend the product expiration date?

Allen states that the ingredients will break down over time, and the product should be refrigerated even if the seal has not been broken yet on the bag. many of his products do not require refrigeration, but for those that do, I think it would be wise to listen.

I go through the 64oz bags quickly enough, but for the few months that I have them, they are always in the fridge. and it does smell great!!

 

[Dr O]

and I quote—

"Many will argue that vitamins and minerals must be kept and sold separate, but these same companies sell pure Calcium powder mixed with Vitamin D3. The bottom line, is that stability after one year will be reduced in a pure vitamin mix as well as a Calcuim/Vitamin powder. Unlike some supplements, the highest quality and most stable forms of vitamins are used in my products. Freshness is the key, and any supplement should be used within a year of manufacture, just as with any complete diet. Effectiveness after this time may still be just fine, and it is not necessary to throw it away as soon as it is over a year old, but nutritional it is important to keep in mind that the nutritional value will begin to decrease slowly as time passes on. The ideal situation would be to use any supplement or diet within a year and refrigerate even unopened containers if possible to help extend the freshness of the product. "

 

[Zen Reptiles]

Don't use it every feeding like it states on the directions. Use calcium most feedings and the calcium plus once to twice a week. I would use a multivitamin once or twice a month in place of the calcium plus as well.

I and others on the forum have had issues and fatalities from overdoing it with this product.

Chameleons are extremely sensitive to vitamin buildups, there is way too much vitD3 in the product to be even considered being used more than twice a month. There are also not enough other nutrients in the product (such as amino acids and trace minerals) that it could possibly replace everything else.

This is my opinion and experience (unfortunately). I would recommend once a week maximum for the calcium plus. It is a good product, but comes with bad directions.

 

[Dr O]

Don't use it every feeding like it states on the directions. Use calcium most feedings and the calcium plus once to twice a week. I would use a multivitamin once or twice a month in place of the calcium plus as well.

I and others on the forum have had issues and fatalities from overdoing it with this product.

Chameleons are extremely sensitive to vitamin buildups, there is way too much vitD3 in the product to be even considered being used more than twice a month. There are also not enough other nutrients in the product (such as amino acids and trace minerals) that it could possibly replace everything else.

This is my opinion and experience (unfortunately). I would recommend once a week maximum for the calcium plus. It is a good product, but comes with bad directions.

I disagree with several of the points that you have made here. and if there were indeed "issues and fatalities" from use of this product as you claim, I want to see a necropsy and histopathology of the tissues that proves hypervitaminosis D on animals that were using those supplement exclusively. unless you can provide several reports of that, everything else is just a guess, IMO. conversely, Allen can show you studies of thousands of lizards fed with this mix and have outperformed all of the others in the trials and have been the healthiest of the bunch. I'm not trying to belittle you here, but science is carried out a certain way and I have never seen any proof of damage from this supplement, ever. and proof doesn't come by guesses, ideas, or conversation in a forum.

but what I will say is that there is no one perfect mix for any animal, anywhere. everyone's lighting is different, nutrition, temperatures, etc. and every animal and likely species will have their own requirements as well. so no one, including me can just make blanket statements that apply to every chameleon from one in a glass aquarium in Holland to another that lives outdoors year round in San Diego. owners need to do the research on what is best and then see how their particular animal fits into that puzzle. my own dusting varies from cage to cage: is it a gravid female? a growing young male? a female who is recovering from just laying? or a 5 year old that has other health issues?

the D3 in this particular product is fairly mid-range, it comes higher or much lower. and there are several ingredients that have excellent sources of amino acids and trace minerals. for most insectivores and the way that they are kept, I think it's an excellent supplement. and for where the state of research currently is, I stand by that. in 20 years, who knows? you can't pick up a newspaper without reading an article on human nutrition that doesn't question what we all thought was correct 10 years ago, and sometimes it's dramatic enough where they completely reverse their opinion. if we can't get humans straight, how many people here really think we already know perfect chameleon nutrition?

all in all, and most everyone at least agrees on this––use variety. that gives the best possible chance of doing something right at least some of the time. like Bill reminded me the other night, even a broken watch is correct twice daily. but I don't believe that Repashy is "broken" for most chams out there, and will continue to use it on all my kiddies.

 

[Zen Reptiles]

Here is our 7 page discussion on Calcium PLUS in case you missed it https://www.chameleonforums.com/calcium-plus-how-often-90525/

Feel free to contribute to the conversation if you have something to add.

It's great stuff, but people are using it every day (that's the directions), and that is very, very bad for chameleons.

Sandrachameleon asked for more details or any study at all on chameleons from Allen about the Kammer's initial referral to the product, and we did not get any such information. If you have some, please pass it along.

Also sorry I cannot find anywhere that says there are amino acids and trace minerals in Calcium PLUS so please pass that along as well.

I do not have any vet exams as we have no reptile vets anywhere near here. I admit everything I have to say is anecdotal and rely on experience and observation and seeing if other people are having similar experiences (which there were several).

There are a few chameleons I have and was not giving very much Calcium PLUS to over the last year, they are the only ones that have no issues whatsoever. The rest are suffering from kidney-related problems or are dead. After completely stopping with the product and switching back to proven methods, the few that were suffering badly but did not die are starting to turning around.

 

[Anfsurfer]

So what is a calcium product I can give every feeding, and where can I buy it. All Calcium I see in the stores has D3.

 

[Zen Reptiles]

Repashy sells a Calcium NO D.

There are many brands. Minerall-0, Zoo Med, etc.

 

[nightanole]

FWI I asked the mineralall-0 people the shelf life on facebook, they said it was stable for 5 years. So if you put a pic of your mineralll on face book it should be good for 5 years.

 

[twatts704]

I'm sorry but I think I still have to side with Dr. O on this one. Until I can see proof of such things in an exam that has been performed after such a death I have a hard time believing it was all due to an overload of calcium plus. I understand putting collective experiences together and finding a common ground but like Dr. O said, chameleons are very particular and each one is going to have its own set of requirements which can cause your care to be completely different for each and everyone. As far as amino acids and trace minerals, I'm sure they don't list them on ingrediants but doesn't neccisarily mean that when you break it all down and look at what each ingrediant does and is made of that it won't have those. I plan to still dust all my feeders with calcium plus and follow my feeding schedule. Some days I feed a little and then I won't feed at all the next day. Then I will feed a lot the following day. It has been working and what seems most effective for my chams.

 

[maxttu]

I'm dusting with Cal+ on Mon and Thur. My boys come home with me on the wknds and get lots of outdoor time on the weekends. When it gets colder, I'll adjust the schedule accordingly...