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Held him quite a few times today with moving him into a smaller flex. He's so well behaved! Not once has he puffed up, hissed or tried to bite me. He's stayed the same shade of green throughout as well.

I don't know if it's possible but I think he was scared in the 100 gal flex, he didn't seem comfortable at all and kept turning brown. He looks much more confident in the 38 gallon.

He's got a fantastic grip as well, actually hurt my fingers when he was holding them. Seems much stronger than the grip on our last Yemen. He uses his tail a lot more as well, at one point he was actually hanging from a vine with just his tail.

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i dont like the look of his arm looks like mbd what are your lights like? are they new? maby someone can chime in
 
Holy smokes those are some rubber arms.

This chameleon is either currently suffering, or has suffered greatly from metabolic bone disease or some form of calcium or uvb difficiency.

Could you give us your uvb and supplimentation info? How long have you had him?
 
You sure it's not just the pose he's in? He seems fine normally and looking at him right now looks ok. Only bought him yesterday from a reptile shop that breeds Yemens. The owner was very knowledage as well. I don't know what supplements he was on but he definitely had a UV tube at the shop.

These are yesterdays pictures: https://www.chameleonforums.com/new-yemen-20682/
 
I'm 90% positive that it's not the pose. Do his bones look straight in his legs when you look at him, or do they resemble the same floppiness in these photos.

He looks healthy in those other photos, but they're also not nearly as clear as these or displaying his legs well.

I've looked over your other posts and seem to have a uvb tube and correct supplimentation. The fact that his grib is strong is a very good sign of health. It should be painful to hold him.

MBD is a bit of catch phrase for multiple different causes for decreased calcium absorbtion. There can be a problem with lack of calcium, lack of the bodies ability to absorb available calcium etc.

I would highly recommend a vet visit.

How much white urates are in his feces? The white in the urates basically shows the availability of calcium to the animal, but it still doesn't tell you if it's being absorbed or not.

You can also test the flexability of his veil and his jaw. It should be springy. strong but flexible. Although honestly I wouldn't do that unless a vet shows you how, and personally I'd never do that to this particular veiled.

I'm guessing he's an mbd recovery of some sort.
 
ouch.. those legs are fractured.
YOu need to go to the vet.. seems like an advance case of MBD.
There is no way those legs looked like that just because of the pose.

Can you contact the breeder?
 
ok thank you for the feedback. Last straw for me I think though, will talk to the breeder but after one death and now this I don't think we're meant to have Chameleons.
 
ViolentJ said:
ok thank you for the feedback. Last straw for me I think though, will talk to the breeder but after one death and now this I don't think we're meant to have Chameleons.
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it's not fate, don't be discouraged...
You just need to research more on things you should watch out when purchasing chameleon.
seems to me, you need to connect with some reputable breeder in UK, which i am sure are plenty (I bet some members here from UK can offer you help).
 
well mbd is bad but they can recover from it you just need to give lots of cal and good uvb light i had a veild that came back from it a lived for 21/2 years when i got her she was in real bad shap and could not even help her self up to eat but i worked hard and she lived a good life
she pasted in aug from old age she was 41/2
 
I'll ring round the vets in the morning to see of any of them know anything about Chameleons, I've googled just now and it's not looking good, they only seem to do mammals. I've emailed the person who bred him and she says he's been brought up with a 10% UV 12hrs a day, calcium every few days and vitamins once a week. She seems understandingly annoyed and says she's been breeding for a while now and knows how to look after them and wouldn't sell an ill animal. Like I said earlier she does seem very knowledgable.
 
Hey violentj, I know that it's not easy hearing from us that you have a sick chameleon. Please know that we're not trying to attack you but help you so you can continue to enjoy this hobby and enjoy chameleons.

Don't give up.

Something is at fault and if you give us more information, we can help you.

The fact that you haven't personally recognized the signs of mbd, means that you and the breeder looking over the animal before you bought it wouldn't have helped much. That's ok. Education is not a catch 22. Now you know some of the signs and can look for them.

This chameleon has either been very sick, or is currently.

I can't recommened anything more then a vet.

What age did you get this cham at? how long have you had him? Is your uvb a 2.0 or a 5.0 or a 10.0? With that dense mesh, you need higher uvb output. Is your uvb behind any plastic or glass? Do you know if those multivitamins have D3 or not?


Why did your last cham die? What age? What were it's outgoing symptoms?

Have you ever seen your chams grab at their face? fall off branches? lose their grip? lie on the floor? sleep during the day?

Don't give up, just keep learning.
 
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I would send those photos of your chameleon to your breeder. If she doesn't recognize the signs of mbd, I would not continue to fully trust her. Sorry. Note that this decline could've happened in your care, not hers.
 
I sent her the picture of his legs and she thinks the picture is just decieving. She says she's had animals with MBD brought in to her and knows what to look for and assures me this Chameleon doesn't have it. Remember she's personally cared for it from birth.

He is 5 months old and be bought him yesterday. The rest won't mean much seeing as we've only had him a day but our tube is a Reptisun 10 placed directly onto the mesh. I don't know if D3 was in the multivotamins, however from what I've seen when looking around they all seem to include it, mine certainly do.

Don't know why the last one died. He was 20 months old and lived with us for just over a week. He was dehydrated (orange in his poo) but from what I could see showed no other signs of dehydration. His previous owner told me he only misted once every 2 days, so I guess this was why. In the morning on the day of his death he swung from vines with his back legs, puffed up and hissed 3 times. He then seemed fine until the afternoon when he was having problems gripping, he then fell and then in the space of an hour went from lethargic to dead. This was late in the evening and we didn't have chance to get him to a vet.

Our new Chameleon seems to be acting fine, he's not having a problem getting around, hasn't slept in the day, gone to the floor or grabbed at his face.
 
ViolentJ said:
I sent her the picture of his legs and she thinks the picture is just decieving. She says she's had animals with MBD brought in to her and knows what to look for and assures me this Chameleon doesn't have it. Remember she's personally cared for it from birth.

He is 5 months old and be bought him yesterday. The rest won't mean much seeing as we've only had him a day but our tube is a Reptisun 10 placed directly onto the mesh. I don't know if D3 was in the multivotamins, however from what I've seen when looking around they all seem to include it, mine certainly do.

Don't know why the last one died. He was 20 months old and lived with us for just over a week. He was dehydrated (orange in his poo) but from what I could see showed no other signs of dehydration. His previous owner told me he only misted once every 2 days, so I guess this was why. In the morning on the day of his death he swung from vines with his back legs, puffed up and hissed 3 times. He then seemed fine until the afternoon when he was having problems gripping, he then fell and then in the space of an hour went from lethargic to dead. This was late in the evening and we didn't have chance to get him to a vet.

Our new Chameleon seems to be acting fine, he's not having a problem getting around, hasn't slept in the day, gone to the floor or grabbed at his face.
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Doesn't matter MBD takes time. I've had a cham with it and thought everything was all fine and dandy until I started to see the bow in the legs and then she fell and broke 2 legs and the next thing you know she wasn't eatting and within 2 weeks she was gone. Here is pictures notice the legs one is broken the other is MBD formed.

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Hm, I don't know what to tell you violentj. Do you want to take some more photos? different angles maybe. But as clear as those last ones, not the previous ones. Clarity and light are important.

remember that you don't have to look through the view finder to shoot different angles. "shoot from the hip" as they call it, or just hold out the camera at an angle that you'd expect to get a good photo, and keep reshooting unitl you have it.

I'm pretty much fully convinced he's got mbd, but I'm saying, let's see more photos to be sure.
 
well that is def mbd no dought about it she sounds like she dont want to give you another one idont know her and dont toss stones but that veild is sick i kinda scares me that threre are guys out there that sell chams like this i think to many of these guys are just fly by night cham dealers and are in to it for all the wrong reasons
the last show i went to in ny whiteplans to see vince and get my nosy be lady there were so many chams and all look bad i sal more mouth rot in 2 hrs than i have in my life but it is bad times and i think everyone is doing what ever it takes to get by
but dont give up you can bring them back from mbd with some time and cash you will be ok
 
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