Sad Video!! :(

I didn't watch the video because I don't feel like crying and I'm sure I would....I've cried at McDonald's commercials....

I think I'd fight a landlord on an issue like that. How can he prove the crickets are caused by the chameleons? If it were me, I'd volunteer to switch feeders for a month and see what happened. Of course, since the landlord made the accusation, I would insist that the landlord participated in the feeding every single time....because otherwise, how could he be sure? After a month of feeding Phoenix worms and superworms and the like to my chameleons, I'm sure the landlord would be ready to admit that the occasional cricket showing up was not his responsibility as the feeder of the chameleons...so, that should end it.

If the landlord objected...I'm reasonably sure any court would support the idea that he had to prove that the crickets were caused by feeding the chameleons and that this was an adequate way to prove the point.

I do agree with Leilaskeeper that if the environment is suitable, letting the animal go free is preferable than a lot of alternatives.

I'll note that when fires went through San Diego County, we were advised that, if we got an evacuation notice, we should let any animals we could not transport go free because at least that way, they had a chance.
 
renzo0684 said:
All animals are born to be free... But you dont see CB lions being introduced into the wild or anyother CB animals being introduced into the wild because they get used having food availible at a certain time and are on a schedule. Plus The chameleon now will be introduced to parasites that are foreign to him because of being captive... I dont give him a fighting chance which is really really sad...
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you cannot go from captive behavior to wild behavior as renzo said lions have to be trained to hunt and do there normal things again and sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt
 
Elizadolots said:
I didn't watch the video because I don't feel like crying and I'm sure I would....I've cried at McDonald's commercials....

I think I'd fight a landlord on an issue like that. How can he prove the crickets are caused by the chameleons? If it were me, I'd volunteer to switch feeders for a month and see what happened. Of course, since the landlord made the accusation, I would insist that the landlord participated in the feeding every single time....because otherwise, how could he be sure? After a month of feeding Phoenix worms and superworms and the like to my chameleons, I'm sure the landlord would be ready to admit that the occasional cricket showing up was not his responsibility as the feeder of the chameleons...so, that should end it.

If the landlord objected...I'm reasonably sure any court would support the idea that he had to prove that the crickets were caused by feeding the chameleons and that this was an adequate way to prove the point.

I do agree with Leilaskeeper that if the environment is suitable, letting the animal go free is preferable than a lot of alternatives.

I'll note that when fires went through San Diego County, we were advised that, if we got an evacuation notice, we should let any animals we could not transport go free because at least that way, they had a chance.
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I'm not sure of the laws in Hawaii but usually, unless the landlord stipulates in the contract (verbal or otherwise), you can have an animal inside your house without the threat of being evicted. This guy probably didn't want to keep the cham that much because I honestly couldn't see myself EVER doing something like that. I'd tell the landlord to stick it and bring me to court lol
 
do you hear his tone in the video i think after that he probobly was crying he moved in other videos and has another chameleon so that is not the reason
 
Leilaskeeper said:
Do you have any evidence that a CB chameleon could not sustain and survive in the wild? Chameleons are solitary .. it's not like they have to find a group of chameleons like a lion does. They eat, sleep, defend themselves, mate .. the majority of their change would most likely be the weather.

Parasites are introduced even in captivity so I don't know what you're talking about.

You are basing your opinions on emotions...
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Parasites are introduced in captivity but not like they are in the wild. When a captive cham gets parasites we bring them to the vet. The amount of parasites this that will be introduced in the wild will come with every meal and the chams body is not used to I and will probably die
 
astroprojector said:
you cannot go from captive behavior to wild behavior as renzo said lions have to be trained to hunt and do there normal things again and sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt
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Okay .. but lions are a terrible comparison. Lions live in packs .. that is a whole other situation. Chameleons live ALONE so for them to adapt and survive, it's a lot easier. Chameleons know how to get their food and whether they are in the wild or in an enclosure, they have the ability to eat well given that there are bugs within their vicinity.
 
on net geo when chameleons hatch and get there first meal there usually around older and wiser chameleons lions dont need to live in packs after being let go after being in an enclosure it will be pretty hard to be in a pack for a while
 
renzo0684 said:
Parasites are introduced in captivity but not like they are in the wild. When a captive cham gets parasites we bring them to the vet. The amount of parasites this that will be introduced in the wild will come with every meal and the chams body is not used to I and will probably die
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Do you have any evidence to support your claims?

Chameleons, just like all reptiles that live in the wild, die from many different ailments and/or injuries. They don't have super powers. Yes, we keep chameleons as pets and we have the ability to have a cham checked/medicated by a vet but who's to say that a CB cham couldn't sustain in the wild? You have no evidence to support anything that you're claiming.
 
Leilaskeeper said:
Okay .. but lions are a terrible comparison. Lions live in packs .. that is a whole other situation. Chameleons live ALONE so for them to adapt and survive, it's a lot easier. Chameleons know how to get their food and whether they are in the wild or in an enclosure, they have the ability to eat well given that there are bugs within their vicinity.
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Ok forget the lion part. Let's talk weather... these cb chams are kept in almost perfect conditions. Real weather in the wild is not perfect and it would be hard for a cb animal to get used to "real" weather like wind,rain and cold weather
 
astroprojector said:
on net geo when chameleons hatch and get there first meal there usually around older and wiser chameleons lions dont need to live in packs after being let go after being in an enclosure it will be pretty hard to be in a pack for a while
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LOL what are you talking about? They are not around older and wiser chameleons. When a female lays her eggs, she's GONE. I don't think they care to stick around.

You need to formulate your sentences more clearly as I can barely make out your points.
 
renzo0684 said:
Ok forget the lion part. Let's talk weather... these cb chams are kept in almost perfect conditions. Real weather in the wild is not perfect and it would be hard for a cb animal to get used to "real" weather like wind,rain and cold weather
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Okay, and what about those individuals that have their chameleons in an outdoor enclosure with rain, wind and other extreme conditions but take their cham indoors during the "winter" months... explain that.
 
Leilaskeeper said:
I'm not sure of the laws in Hawaii but usually, unless the landlord stipulates in the contract (verbal or otherwise), you can have an animal inside your house without the threat of being evicted. This guy probably didn't want to keep the cham that much because I honestly couldn't see myself EVER doing something like that. I'd tell the landlord to stick it and bring me to court lol
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heh...who knew we were so alike? I'd take it to the Supreme Court if I could, even knowing that my chameleon probably wouldn't live long enough to see the result...No silly landlord is telling ME to get rid of my pets.

Leilaskeeper said:
Okay .. but lions are a terrible comparison. Lions live in packs .. that is a whole other situation. Chameleons live ALONE so for them to adapt and survive, it's a lot easier. Chameleons know how to get their food and whether they are in the wild or in an enclosure, they have the ability to eat well given that there are bugs within their vicinity.
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I agree. If a chameleon had only been hand fed, then maybe there would be an argument, but most chameleons in captivity have to find their food and shoot their tongues out to get it...this is not at all comparable to captive lions that are presented with dead animal parts to consume.
 
Leilaskeeper said:
Do you have any evidence to support your claims?

Chameleons, just like all reptiles that live in the wild, die from many different ailments and/or injuries. They don't have super powers. Yes, we keep chameleons as pets and we have the ability to have a cham checked/medicated by a vet but who's to say that a CB cham couldn't sustain in the wild? You have no evidence to support anything that you're claiming.
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Common knowledge says that a cb animals immune system is not as tolerable as a wild animals is because cb have their meals catered to them. Wild abimals from birth eat wild insects. So naturally the wild animal has a higher tollerence to stuff such as parasites
 
Leilaskeeper said:
Okay, and what about those individuals that have their chameleons in an outdoor enclosure with rain, wind and other extreme conditions but take their cham indoors during the "winter" months... explain that.
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I am starting to think you just like to argue.... I dont think anyone on here leaves their chams outside during bad weather
 
renzo0684 said:
Common knowledge says that a cb animals immune system is not as tolerable as a wild animals is because cb have their meals catered to them. Wild abimals from birth eat wild insects. So naturally the wild animal has a higher tollerence to stuff such as parasites
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I hear what you are trying to get at ... but I don't agree with you.

Both CB and WC chams are susceptible to Parasitosis.

If a chameleon is in overall good health and their immune system is strong, parasites can live inside their bodies for a long period of time, whether they are CB or WC. The most common parasites are coccidia, nematodes, and hemoparasites.
 
Nice to see so much discussion without any fighting. :)

I didn't watch the video. I don't agree with releasing any pets. It's a huge problem. You have stray dogs, feral cats, escapee snakes, turn-your-head-for-a-moment-and-he's-gone chameleons. If you care for an animal and then you release it into the wild, that I feel is very wrong. And for many reasons. It is also a crime to do so where I live.

When you are being faced with such a decision, call animal control. Often they can put you in touch with a rescue or they can take the animal and then send it to a rescue. They would rather you call them than release a non-native species into the wild.

There are irresponsible people out there who don't care about exotics escaping. Some think it's actually funny. I know of a couple of people who see absolutely nothing wrong with releasing non-native animals because in their opinion the animals thrive.

Maybe I should watch the video but I don't feel like getting depressed either. Big day tomorrow. Without seeing it though, I'm probably taking things out of context.
 
Where did everyone see this guy Nygel 36 who posted the video lived? His link says he lives in Denver. What am I missing?
 
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