Scammer?

[GooglezNvincent]

Ok so I remember the infamous scammer thread of the russian girl. This is a different thread about a possible scammer. I was wondering if you all could help me figure this guy out. Here are the messages we have sent to eachother so far:

Sellers Reptiles October 1 at 4:13am
if you want to make orders low price, do not hesitate, write me

Radiant Reptiles October 1 at 9:19am
what kind of orders?

Sellers Reptiles October 2 at 2:14am
all kind, just write me in my box,and give me your list and I'll put my money.
if my prices are good, we could be continued

Sellers Reptiles October 2 at 2:14am
[email protected]
best regards

Radiant Reptiles October 2 at 11:24am
Where are you from? If you are far I am not too sure with the shipping and everything. Also do you ship Wild Caught or Captive Bred animals?

Sellers Reptiles October 2 at 12:36pm
I assure you 100% that all your orders will be sent with the permit signed by Minister of the forest of this country (Cameroon).
I breed reptiles and those who have been captured.
best regards
What are reptiles that you want to import my home?
Give me the list I give you my prices.
write me on facebook, my gmail box has a few problems, except this that give
: [email protected]

Radiant Reptiles October 2 at 12:43pm
What kind of chameleon species do you have in your area?

Sellers Reptiles October 2 at 12:56pm
• PANTHER CHAMELEONS
-Ambanja Panther Chameleon
-Ambilobe Panther Chameleon
-Andapa Panther Chameleon
- Ankaramy Panther Chameleon
-Diego Suarez Panther Chameleon
- Maroantsetra Panther Chameleon
- Masoala Panther Chameleon
- Nosy Be Panther Chameleon
- Nosy Faly Panther Chameleon
- Nosy Mitsio Panther Chameleon
- Sambava Panther Chameleon
-Tamatave Panther Chameleon
• VEILED CHAMELEONS
- Baby Veiled Chameleons
- Juvenile Veiled Chameleon
- Sub-adult Veiled Chameleon
- Adult Veiled Chameleon
• VEILED CHAMELEON MORPHS
-Translucent Veiled Chameleons
• JACKSONS CHAMELEONS
- Dwarf Jacksons Chameleon
- Jacksons Chameleon
- Mt. Kenya Jacksons Chameleon
• PYGMY CHAMELEONS
- Bearded Pygmy Chameleon
-Brookesia Stumpffi
Horned Pygmy Chameleon
- Montane Pygmy Chameleon
- Pitless Blue-eyed Pygmy Chameleon
-Rosette-nosed Pygmy Chameleon
-Spectral Pygmy Chameleon
- Thereziens Pygmy Chameleon
-Thiels Pygmy Chameleon
- Usambara Pitted Pygmy Chameleon
• CARPET CHAMELEONS
- Carpet Chameleon
-Greater Carpet Chameleon
• FISCHERS CHAMELEONS
-Dwarf Two-horned Chameleon
- East Usambara Two-horned Chameleon
-Vosseler's Two-horned Chameleon
- West Usambara Two-horned Chameleon
• OTHER CHAMELEON SPECIES
-African Chameleon
- Cameroon Two-horned Chameleon
- Crested Chameleon
- Elliots Chameleon
- Flap-necked Chameleon
-Four-horned Chameleon
- High-casqued Chameleon
- Johnstons Chameleon
- Madagascar Giant Spiny Chameleon
- Mellers Chameleon
- Oustalets Chameleon
- Parsons Chameleon
- Peacock Chameleon
- Poroto Mt. Three-horned Chameleon
- Rhino-horned Chameleon
- Rudis Chameleon
- Two-lined Chameleon
- Usambara Giant Three-horned Chameleon
- Werners Three-horned Chameleon

 

[GooglezNvincent]

Cont.

Radiant Reptiles October 2 at 1:06pm
How much do each of your panthers cost?

Sellers Reptiles October 2 at 1:20pm
It depends, you could spend on a $100 on a Veiled Chameleon or $2500 0n a Parsons Chameleon. It depends on the type of chameleon.

Radiant Reptiles October 2 at 1:22pm
Could you break down the prices on these chams?

• PANTHER CHAMELEONS
-Ambanja Panther Chameleon -
-Ambilobe Panther Chameleon -
-Andapa Panther Chameleon -
- Ankaramy Panther Chameleon -
-Diego Suarez Panther Chameleon -
- Maroantsetra Panther Chameleon -
- Masoala Panther Chameleon -
- Nosy Be Panther Chameleon -
- Nosy Faly Panther Chameleon -
- Nosy Mitsio Panther Chameleon -
- Sambava Panther Chameleon -
-Tamatave Panther Chameleon -

Sellers Reptiles October 2 at 1:35pm
• PANTHER CHAMELEONS
-Ambanja Panther Chameleon 150$
-Ambilobe Panther Chameleon -150$
-Andapa Panther Chameleon -100$
- Ankaramy Panther Chameleon -100$
-Diego Suarez Panther Chameleon -100$
- Maroantsetra Panther Chameleon -150$
- Masoala Panther Chameleon 100$-
- -Nosy Be Panther Chameleon200$
- Nosy Faly Panther Chameleon -200$
- Nosy Mitsio Panther Chameleon -200$
- Sambava Panther Chameleon -150$
-Tamatave Panther Chameleon - 150$

Radiant Reptiles October 2 at 1:38pm
And all these are WC or CB? Do I get a better price when I buy in bulk? Just to let you know I am very serious about getting a shipment so dont think you are wasting your time.

Sellers Reptiles October 3 at 1:22am
yes sir,
if you do a lot of orders, I bring down prices for all species of chameleons.
per 100 head-$ 80
for 200 head-$ 50
dear sir, you must know that to receive your orders to your home, including guest Notament procedures to do the paperwork with the Minister of the forest in this country.
here would not be a matter of two days, but most everything will depend on its program, with contours that we know that your goods can circulate freely.
If you are serious you should know that myself, nobody would waste time.
know if you agree to send me $ 1000 for completing all the procedures, I await your response.
at the end of this procedure, I will surrender the license for any insurance and confirmation of signed MINISTER OF THE FOREST OF CAMEROON, and that's where we discuss the transfer to conclude but not for the moment and remember not give me your full list and the number of chameleons what you want. we must maintain this cooperation.
best regards

Radiant Reptiles October 3 at 3:35am
I am a little confused on your wordage. Are you saying that i need to pay you $1000 before we do the order?

Sellers Reptiles October 3 at 8:08am
Hello
Thanks for the reply.You will need to pay the 1000$ .This will be used in processing the documents and the delivery right to your location.After then it will be deducted from the total amount which we will agree.To be more sepcific the 1000$ will help in the documents and the delivery process after which we will deduct from the total amount on the order you will recommend.
Just get back with the total number of cameloens you will need.If you will be taking more of the species then there will be a pricediscount for them.
Where is your location,kindly get back with the details of your adress such as full names,street number,house number and phone number and the closest airport next to your location.This will be includede in the delivery documents.Hope in reading from you very soon.

Radiant Reptiles October 3 at 8:59am
(Address) (My Street Name), Yorba Linda, CA 92886 The closest airport to me is LAX.
My order would consist of:
10 Red Bar Ambilobe Panthers
10 Blue Bar Ambilobe Panthers
10 Ambanja Panthers
10 Sambava Panthers
10 Diego Suarez Panthers
10 Ankaramy Panthers
10 Nosy Be Panthers
15 Nosy Faly Panthers
15 Nosy Mitsio Panthers

What is the insurance policy with you? Do you have any garauntees for DOA's? Are the chameleons Wild Caught or Captive Bred?

Sellers Reptiles October 4 at 2:48am
Hello
Thanks for the reply. Insurance policy( Refundable).Full responsibilities are being taking ,that is all the dangers and damages inquired from the country of departure to the destined country.
There is DOA's guarantee provided.Thus if any of the chameleons arrives DOA the buyer will have to contact the Shipping agency by phone or through email or within 24 hours after receiveing the chameleon(s).If the shipment was not delayed they will replace the DOA chameleon(s) at no charge or they will credit the cost of the DOA chameleon (s) on a future order.
Further more if the chameleon (s) arrives DOA you will have to ship back with a legband in place back to the shipping agency within three days from the date you received the chameleon (s).Reason being their vet doctor will have examine th cause of the chameleon (s) death.But if you prefer not to ship the Chameleon(s) back you can take a photo of the chameleon(s) then slip the band off the DOA chameleons leg (the band must be uncut nor damaged in any way) and mail it to the shipping agency.
My chameleons are captive bred.Hope in reading from you as soon as possible.Regards

Radiant Reptiles October 4 at 8:28pm
Ok thats sounds good. What is our next step, this will be my order so far, i will let you know if i want to add on to it later.

5 male Red Bar Ambilobe Panthers
5 female Red Bar Ambilobe Panthers

5 male Blue Bar Ambilobe Panthers
5 female Blue Bar Ambilobe Panthers

5 male Ambanja Panthers
5 female Ambanja Panthers

5 male Sambava Panthers
5 female Sambava Panthers

5 male Diego Suarez Panthers
5 female Diego Suarez Panthers

5 male Ankaramy Panthers
5 female Ankaramy Panthers

5 male Nosy Be Panthers
5 female Nosy Be Panthers

10 male Nosy Faly Panthers
5 female Nosy Faly Panthers

10 male Nosy Mitsio Panthers
5 Female Nosy Mitsio Panthers

 

[GooglezNvincent]

Last section so far

Sellers Reptiles October 5 at 6:17am
Thanks very much for the reply.You will have to copy this address to the western union money transfer bank and sent the money using my address below so that i can get all the papers and proceed with the shipping Ok.

Names........................MBIABO NTSEDOU JOEL

Country......................Cameroon

State...........................Littoral

City..........................Douala

Zip Code....................00237

Address.....................St Hellna,Akwa 230 0

Amount....................1000$

Test Question...............When?

Answer.......................Now

You will copy this address to the western union today and make a deposit of 1000$ so that i can start the arrangement and delivery process.When you transfer the money, sent me the transfer control number which is also call M.T.C.N and the senders names so that i can get the money from my local western union bank and pay all the charges OK.
So if everything work out well, we will keep on with the deal in future.I will like if you can add your order next time OK.I will give you an offer if you can add your order. Sellers Reptiles October 8 at 2:03am
Dear Sir, I see you logged on every day and I do not understand your acted. I have just one question in mind
had doubts! for any information contact me.
best regards

Radiant Reptiles October 8 at 9:13am
I do have doubts. The fact that this list spans from every chameleon species and you say they are all CB alarms me. Also you would need so much paper work for all the different variety of chams that it seems impossible to own all those types. The money also alarms me because you want me to transfer money, so if anything bad happens i have no control over taking my money back i would need you to give it back. That is not the power i give even to friends, especially worth $1000 minimum. I also had some veterens on my forum look at everything you wrote and they told me to be careful. I am not writing to insult you i am telling you how worried i am because this is my first time and i dont want to be screwed. If you are for real you should realize if i do business with you now, i will do an extreme amount more and very often so i will make you money. I just dont know if that is enough insentive to not take my $1,000 dollars and "run" so to speak.

Sellers Reptiles October 8 at 1:16pm
Hello
Thanks for the reply.I just got your mail and im abit very worried to.It is rather not very convincing cause your have doubts about me.Im a breeder and it is not my first time offering my species out to pet store owners and private reptiles lover.The paper works are not going to take all that long as you think.I just need to take it the ministry for them to have it approved and this is just within a few days reason being i own my breeders licence and with my cites so there is no problem with that.
If i asked you to have the money transfered it is just for the fact that i thought it will facilitate things.Thus at the time im about preparing the documents and the delivery .What matters much is not money as you may think but the good business relationship we could establish together.I may could have asked you to pay everything before i send the species to you but i said no it is my first time to have a deal with you and to have this trust and faith i will just need the amount asked so that i can prepare the delivery documents to let them delivered before you pay any other amount.
Sir i have my identity to reveal to you as a minor guarantee.
So then i think sir we are trying to establish a good business relationship together and i have no bad intensions but my main focus is to have everyting move in the right manner and in the most transparent way.You can contact me through
00237 9955-8374.Hope in reading from you as soon as possible.

 

[toddmkeller]

Nope, not a scam


See ya,

Todd

 

[Julirs]

Please tell me why-WHY-would you order all of those CB Panthers from some dude in Cameroon?

 

[Syn]

Hey! Seriously? THIS IS NOT THE BOI!

Conflicts between individuals and/or businesses should NOT be debated in the public forums. Chameleon Forums should not be used as a tool for resolving personal or commercial disputes.

Why are there so many posts lately that belong on the BOI?

Also, that whole list is basically copy and pasted from Adcham or FLChams.

 

[SSimsswiSS]

Hey, look on the bright side, Transparency International placed Cameroon at number 138 on a list of 163 countries ranked from least to most corrupt.

 

[Chris Anderson]

Cameroon can hardly send out healthy chameleons from their own country, let alone every species, locale and morph listed on the FL Chams website (in the same order, in the same categories, and of the same common names) from Madagascar, Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Yemen, AND Cameroon. Of course he wants you to pay him $1000 up front via western union. LOL.

Chris

 

[chambabysitter1]

Nope, not a scam


See ya,

Todd

Todd is correct. This is not a scam.

Seriously, it isn't.

 

[ChrisnLisa]

Not a scam at all. No need to worry that you have already given him your home address, name, and phone number. Definitely doesn't sound like the type to steal $1000 or steal your identity.

 

[wilfred]

IDK man this part sounds really bad:

If you are serious you should know that myself, nobody would waste time.
know if you agree to send me $ 1000 for completing all the procedures, I await your response.

 

[Cainschams]

Not a scam at all. No need to worry that you have already given him your home address, name, and phone number. Definitely doesn't sound like the type to steal $1000 or steal your identity.

The exporter needs this information so he knows where to ship the animals to. Where else would he ship them

 

[Pure]

May not be legal but would be funny to scann a check of yours then photoshop a fake account number and routing number, print it, and send it...just to see what happens.

 

[Chris Anderson]

The exporter needs this information so he knows where to ship the animals to. Where else would he ship them

He'll also needs your mother's maiden name, the town you were born in and your first pet's name for the CITES documents.

Chris

 

[GooglezNvincent]

LOL ok all jokes aside. How are you guy able to identify real exporters from scammers? For some one like me who is niave and trying to learn all the steps how would i be able to find a legitimate exporter? I know its almost like an underground society because the importers/exporters who are real and not corrupt DONT want to be known by people. So that poses a very big problem with learning how everything is supposed to go.

 

[Syn]

Two words: Western Union.

 

[Chris Anderson]

LOL ok all jokes aside. How are you guy able to identify real exporters from scammers? For some one like me who is niave and trying to learn all the steps how would i be able to find a legitimate exporter? I know its almost like an underground society because the importers/exporters who are real and not corrupt DONT want to be known by people. So that poses a very big problem with learning how everything is supposed to go.

There's a secret handshake. I'd show you, but then I'd have to kill you.

Chris

 

[Pure]

Trevor, I can't speak for the chameleon industry but I would imagine it's pretty much the same as what I've dealt with. In the tropical fish import bis you really need to have someone introduce you to the right people. For instance I had a friend who owns the largest aquarium shop in the north east. Pete Mang is his name, he introduced me to the group of importers he goes through in South Florida who in return gave me all the email contact info for the exporters in South America. Funny thing about that...no one down there has a phone but everyone has an email addy....go figure

No offense to any one here, but fish people seem to be a little more willing to help in this regard. I guess it's because there is so much competition that having a new guy trying the bis out isn't going to effect them one way or the other. Not to mention the market for aquarium fish is quit a bit larger than the chameleon market.

 

[kenya]

Protip: if you hear the term "best regards", run.

 

[Syn]

protip: If you hear the term "best regards", run.

b-i-n-g-o!