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[Ace]

Two separate issues have come to light in this thread…

1: Shipping baby chameleons is in itself not a big deal (like Cain said) AS LONG AS the person who it getting them knows what to do, they are healthy before being sent and the weather is ideal.

2: The question of faly-banja and the person in question/chameleon/blood lines… Unless the hatcher of the eggs (you don’t need to be a “breeder” to hatch eggs) takes the time to grow and prove out a generation of the eggs then they have no right to sell CB or CBB 100% anything… Doing this takes time and lots of it. Getting a gravid “faly” who’s baby’s turn out to be something not faly kind of makes you look like an ass after you have sold a whole clutch of $500 cross chameleons. It has happened to several large breeders in the past and will happen again. Unless you learn how to speak chameleon and ask where they came from you have to prove out the animal.

We are going into our 4th year of business and this will be the first year where I will be able to truly say that I will be able to offer my own lines of animals that are not related to anything else in the USA, it has taken 2 generations to prove out WC females. It has taken a serous time investment and it something that we are extremely proud of. People here who are ignorant enough to *blindly* trust the exporter/importer/seller might end up with some really over-priced cross chameleons.

I continue to find it very amusing that the most vocal people about many issues have the least experience. Spending hours behind computer reading about what other people have to say doesn’t make you qualified to spout off things that you have no business talking about. In the grand scale of things I am an n00b compared to some of my peers who I respect and get advice from.

great post Chad and its people like you that show what it really takes and how much work and dedication the process goes in the business and breeding of these chameleons.

 

[Vegas Chad]

Im not trying to pat myself on the back or anything; it’s just an example of what you have to do to be able to say with a 100% assurance (as much as can be; again going back to the speaking chameleon thing or collecting animals yourself from Madda) that your animals are what you say they are.

A few years ago I got in a few female Mitiso females that I was SOOOOOOOOO excited for, I paid extra for them on an import for my lone male. They mated and I was floored when the eggs hatched; 6 months later they had some colors that were in no way shape or form Mitiso so with much sadness sold them all for wholesale cost and gave up on the project. It would have been REALLY easy to sell them as Mitiso but I suppose its an ethical/personal thing. You choose what kind of seller you want to be. Im not saying anything at all is wrong with a faly-banja or faly-whatever as long as you sell it as such.

 

[pssh]

Blah! Who is removing my posts?!

And I was trying to show you why the others were upset about the mix up! You may not have intended for it to be like that, but they read it otherwise, hence why I highlighted it and later elaborated on it. I wasn't trying to do anything except help everyone to get on the same page. Then you went and got all mean to me.

 

[Vegas Chad]

I learn from the best, people like Ed and Liddy, and long term members on this here forum, it’s not easy but if you are dedicated much is possible. People like Kent, Tracey, Kinyonga, and others have TONS of info if you just zip your lips and listen. You can pick up things and use and apply them for REAL WORLD situations, after personal gaining some experience then you can give your opinion on things and then think of ways which may improve or edit things for different circumstances.

Sheesh, way too much typing for how tired I am. HAHA

 

[robmd1]

Blah! Who is removing my posts?!

And I was trying to show you why the others were upset about the mix up! You may not have intended for it to be like that, but they read it otherwise, hence why I highlighted it and later elaborated on it. I wasn't trying to do anything except help everyone to get on the same page. Then you went and got all mean to me.

theres a reason its bein deleted pssh. so please stop trollin this thread im sure someone out there is in need of ur wisdom... thanks..
chad i get what your sayen an agree, i have spent top dollar on the falys i have i take pride in knowin wht lines i have an its goin get hard to find the quality im lookin for with the mixes floating around as falys, so it again goes bk to who ya trust an if you want to like you have spend the time to prove em out..

 

[pssh]

I learn from the best, people like Ed and Liddy, and long term members on this here forum, it’s not easy but if you are dedicated much is possible. People like Kent, Tracey, Kinyonga, and others have TONS of info if you just zip your lips and listen. You can pick up things and use and apply them for REAL WORLD situations, after personal gaining some experience then you can give your opinion on things and then think of ways which may improve or edit things for different circumstances.

Sheesh, way too much typing for how tired I am. HAHA

Wait, is this in reference to me? I didn't give my opinion on anything but the PM I received?

 

[pssh]

theres a reason its bein deleted pssh. so please stop trollin this thread im sure someone out there is in need of ur wisdom... thanks

Please tell me then. I dont think I broke any rules, and I didn't even really do anything but try to help you. I dont understand why you cant see that...

 

[Scott85]

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[robmd1]

thank you very much

 

[Scott85]

Sorry for posting to an open forum. I am done.

 

[robmd1]

Sorry for contributing to an open forum. I am done.

is that what that was? thanks anyways.

 

[NWD]

Dangggg

Mad chameleon drama....be nice ppl lol anyway chad liked Ur post I was thinkin as i read this that shipping a baby didn't sound like the atrocity they made it out to be. Iv shipped a lot of beardies as long as the weather is good and I know they are much hardier but it seems as though the main factor would be stress I mean WhT else besides weather is gonna kill them in a Lil container in a box.

 

[Texas Panther Man]

Im just glad the posts concerning Rob's accusations about the faly banjas was removed. He should have immediately appologized and retracted said statement.

 

[Lloyd Heilbrunn]

Im not trying to pat myself on the back or anything; it’s just an example of what you have to do to be able to say with a 100% assurance (as much as can be; again going back to the speaking chameleon thing or collecting animals yourself from Madda) that your animals are what you say they are.

A few years ago I got in a few female Mitiso females that I was SOOOOOOOOO excited for, I paid extra for them on an import for my lone male. They mated and I was floored when the eggs hatched; 6 months later they had some colors that were in no way shape or form Mitiso so with much sadness sold them all for wholesale cost and gave up on the project. It would have been REALLY easy to sell them as Mitiso but I suppose its an ethical/personal thing. You choose what kind of seller you want to be. Im not saying anything at all is wrong with a faly-banja or faly-whatever as long as you sell it as such.

I don't know much about Panther locals/morphs but don't they naturally intergrade?

Or is this like the drama we get from Kingsnake breeders on whether their crosses are natural intergrades or not?

 

[melric]

The thread is actually supposed to be about selling chams at an early age.

 

[Psi]

The thread is actually supposed to be about selling chams at an early age.

Yup.
Week old hatchling + 48 hour health guarantee = dead animal in 49 hours

 

[Texas Panther Man]

It was until Rob starting accusing people of selling fake falys without proof.

 

[Psi]

It was until Rob starting accusing people of selling fake falys without proof.

From what I could see from what wasn't deleted and the classified ad, the seller is selling them as what he purchased from his importer.
Hopefully nothing problematic arises.

 

[Texas Panther Man]

From what I could see from what wasn't deleted and the classified ad, the seller is selling them as what he purchased from his importer.
Hopefully nothing problematic arises.

The guy is selling what he believes to be falys. He states in the ad plainly that they were freshly imported and bred shortly after importation last spring. So he's stating that they are wc's that were brought in and bred. Thats why he's selling them at such a low price. Theres no way to know if they are truly falys until after they color up. At worst the offspring are 1/2 faly and half ? who knows until they hit the 10 month mark or so.

 

[Vegas Chad]

I don't know much about Panther locals/morphs but don't they naturally intergrade?

Or is this like the drama we get from Kingsnake breeders on whether their crosses are natural intergrades or not?

I am sure that they can, have, and do in the wild. This is why I said: "(as much as can be; again going back to the speaking chameleon thing or collecting animals yourself from Madda)"

Trying to keep things pure is a best guess.