Still no change and worried he isn't eating enough

Shaunny

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Ok guys so there is still no change in Trevor's colours and mood. It's been 6 weeks since going into his new cage now and nothing I'm doing is making a difference.

So the changes I have made are....

120w halogen hanging from about 10" from the top mesh so it doesn't make it too hot to climb on.

Upgraded to the T5 system with 12% and arcadia canopy placed at the from of the viv with a diagonal vine for gradient. I spoke to an arcadia rep and he said as long as I have 10-15" from the light there will not be any problems in sun burns

Dig dripper as usual

Misting is now every 3 hours for 1 min 4 times a day with room temp water which spikes humidity to 75-80 then back down to 55-60

3 sides are still covered but now have a wood grain effect sticky plastic to stop any glair or reflection.

He had a full clean out this weekend jus gone so I made some changes. I took out he small ficus that's was on the bottom of the cage and have now repotted the pothos and hung it from the top. It's not as heavily planted now which could cause another problem but until the pothos fills out I have made it the best I can. I have moved all the vines in such a way that they are around the edge of the enclosure so that more ambient light and heat and get lower down

As for the heat I have 3 digital thermometers, one at the last vine which is about 15-18" from the bottom, one in the middle and the other strapped to the basking spot.

Temps are

Basking probe 98-102

Middle probe 73-74

Bottom probe 70-71

Since changing the cage layout he is now climbing about a hell of a lot more than he did and is also going to the bottom of the cage floor. He doesn't spend long on the basking spot, 10-15 mins then moves about

He I still his dark colours but not as brown as he was but sometimes goes to almost black. He main colours are dark green with almost very dark red stripes and either a white or blue stripe down his side and lower lip.

My biggest concern now is he doesn't eat that much.

He ate a fair bit yesterday though which was 2 large crix, 1 Mario worm, 2 silk worms the same size as the Mario worm and 2 meal worm beetles. I tried to feed him this morning but he wasn't interested. Most days though I Baily see him eat and most of the food is still in there when I get home from work which I take out and put back in their tubs. From what I have been reeding a Cham of his age should be eating anywhere from 6-12 crix a day or similar.

He is nearly 7 months now so should I be feeding him every other day? I have changes from the fortnightly dust of calci plus to one vit and one calcium with d3 but not done them yet as he has the calci plus last say.

I am barly handling him only to put him back in when he comes out on his plant which I just stick in from of the cage. Some times he will almost jump out onto it as if he can't stand being in the cage



 
You need more plants to provide cover for him, and that basking temp is WAY too high, that's why hes not basking.

Lower that temp to like 90 max, and see how he does.

the dark colors are probably because hes stressed that predators can see him.

the going to the floor is because hes too hot.

Its not uncommon for chams to stop eating as much around this time.

If hes cut himself back, then you can feed every other day, and he will be just fine.
 
Sometimes just moving the whole setup to a new location can make a huge difference in the lizard for whatever reason. Especially I'd select some place with a lot of ambient light. But sometimes it doesn't even need to be that, just a different location...
 
We have moved him once and that didn't make a difference

I got the natural sunlight tub for the old t8 and it's made the cage so much brighter. I also added a better ficus I had to fill it out more. I added another halogen and the temps went up to 78-80 in the middle of the cage and about 75 at the lowest point and he started to gape and move to te bottom so I kind of know it's not temps as the basking spot is now 89-90. Turned the second halogen off and 10 mins later he stopped





I got him out whilst I put the other plans in and no sooner I do he looks like this

 
You need more plants to provide cover for him, and that basking temp is WAY too high, that's why hes not basking.

Lower that temp to like 90 max, and see how he does.

the dark colors are probably because hes stressed that predators can see him.

the going to the floor is because hes too hot.

Its not uncommon for chams to stop eating as much around this time.

If hes cut himself back, then you can feed every other day, and he will be just fine.

Just wanted to echo this really.
Lower basking temps and more cover.

Good luck hun.

Keep us posted x
 
Sorry, I now see you have much more cover in there! Looks great.

Basking temp of 90 may still be too high for a 7month old cham.

I kept Simba at about 85F back at 7months I think. I'll have to check some old threads but I'm sure it was 85F.

Try lowering temps again and let us know if you see any change?
 
So I got the temps of the basking spot to 86 ish so let's hope all the changes make a difference. He is a lot more active than he has been since the changes and explores every inch of the cage but the colour doesn't change.

I'm going to try and mist just twice a day by hand with warm water to see if that changes his mood. His mistking sh*ts him up when it comes on and he legs it to cover. It comes on 4 or 5 times a day for a min so maybe he doesn't chill out in time before the next spray. Is twice a day enough along side a big dripper? The tripper is suspended so splashes off the mesh and covers a good section or vines
 
I know he loves the hand pump mister with warm water because he runs to the front of the cage to stand in front of it
 
If it has only been a short amount of time, he needs time to get used to it.

It took all my guys at least a month if not a bit more, for them to get used to the mister nozzles going off.

Some of them, my more shy boy, it took longer than that, now he bathes in it.

I wouldn't do just 2 mistings. as a dripper only hits where it drips. while a mister covers more space.
if he likes warm water, you can heat the water from the mist tank.
 
Ok I'll give it time.

As for heating the way tee there was a guy on here that did test on the water heated to 111 degrees and it comes out at about 3 degrees above room temp so it's basically a waste of time and money
 
Ok I'll give it time.

As for heating the way tee there was a guy on here that did test on the water heated to 111 degrees and it comes out at about 3 degrees above room temp so it's basically a waste of time and money

YOu don't have to heat it, just saying you can.

ANd he will get used to it, eventually. they all do.
 
So the misses said that Trevor spent ally of time near and on the basking spot tonight. I'm guessing he may have been doing it a lot for most of the day but I could be wrong.

If I have had the temps too low and with the second halogen I can get the ambient in the middle of the cage to 78-80, would increasing it instantly make him gape because he isn't use to it or is it a sign it's just too hot in general? Should I try to raise it slowly and see what happens.

What's the average time they should bask for if it's right
 
And can someone give me a break down of the 3 different temps throughout the cage please?

Basking I know is 85-90

Middle?

Bottom?
 
Take a deep breath, you may be over thinking everything. Your basking temp is fine for the time being. Your low/ambient temp should be around 70. Mine fluctuates a little between 70-74. As long as there is a gradient in the cage he will be fine. His colors look ok to me. If he has no other noticeable health problems, I think you will be ok. You seem to be researching and doing your best but at some point you have to just let him and the enclosure be. I am sure he will grow up to be a healthy adult.
 
He may also just be changing his colors as he grows older... What's his locale? I know my boy didn't stop changing his colors until he was around 9 months.
 
Yeah I guess I am lol sorry guys!

I'm just worried that if this is because if stress and the fact he doesn't eat anywhere near as much as what a lot of thing I read it might cause problems later on

He is meant to be a blue bar ambilobe. The colour on the last pic I put on is him out of his viv and what he changes too as soon as he comes out hence the concern.
 
Hmmm, I would stop fussing with him, just make sure everything is ok at it's right temps and humidity and mist and stuff... but otherwise I wouldn't mess with his cage anymore until he gets used to it. I know when I MAJORLY change Ryker's cage he pitches a little fit and wants to be on me instead of be inside that "horrible" thing XD funny little creatures they are <3. I would just keep my eye on him, and try and breathe though I know don't I know it can't be hard >.< good luck!
 
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