Taking him outside?

jajeanpierre said:
Coopers hawks, Sharp Shinned hawks (very common in suburbia), ravens and seagulls will take a chameleon off your shoulder. Just a warning..
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We don't have ravens in suburbia around here (crows are quite common), but the others are found nearly everywhere. However, NONE of them will come within 10 ft of a human, ever. I'm sure it's happened and in Japan I've seen ravens attack people on garbage day to get them to drop their bags, but it's not something I'd be even remotely concerned with here. As long as I'm within 10ft of the lizard nothing else will come close to him except domestic pets.

Having said that, make sure that's true of the animals in your area before assuming too much. I know in some places red tailed hawks have been known to attack people.
 
tenchijin said:
We don't have ravens in suburbia around here (crows are quite common), but the others are found nearly everywhere. However, NONE of them will come within 10 ft of a human, ever. I'm sure it's happened and in Japan I've seen ravens attack people on garbage day to get them to drop their bags, but it's not something I'd be even remotely concerned with here. As long as I'm within 10ft of the lizard nothing else will come close to him except domestic pets.

Having said that, make sure that's true of the animals in your area before assuming too much. I know in some places red tailed hawks have been known to attack people.
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I know people who have lost small parrots off their shoulders. Coopers hawks and their smaller relative, Sharp Shinned hawks, are incredibly bold. Trust me, they will come down and take a lizard if they are motivated enough.

Very soon they will need to be feeding nestlings and they will take more and more chances as their demand for food increases. Later in late summer and the fall when the babies have fledged and are no longer being fed by their parents, they will take all kinds of chances because most hawks die of starvation very soon after leaving their parents.

Red Tailed hawks are unlikely to bother you. They are slower and less agile than the very bold accipiter family (Coopers and Sharp Shinned). No hawk wants to be on the ground when a big human predator is around, but a snatch off the shoulder by the very fast agile Coopers/Sharp Shinned happens. Red Tailed hawks attacking people are probably just protecting their nests. They are a very territorial species. I love my Red Shouldered hawks (a relative of Red Tailed hawks) as they tell me what other winged predator is in the area and drive them off. (I free fly my parrots outside, so need to know what dangers are in the air.)
 
jajeanpierre said:
I know people who have lost small parrots off their shoulders. Coopers hawks and their smaller relative, Sharp Shinned hawks, are incredibly bold. Trust me, they will come down and take a lizard if they are motivated enough.

Very soon they will need to be feeding nestlings and they will take more and more chances as their demand for food increases. Later in late summer and the fall when the babies have fledged and are no longer being fed by their parents, they will take all kinds of chances because most hawks die of starvation very soon after leaving their parents.
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Both of those hawks are avid bird eaters in any case. Around here the can often be found stalking bird feeders. However, no one I've ever known or heard of has had an animal taken from him by a hawk in this area. I imagine in some places it could happen but people here walk their very small dogs without fear daily. Exotic birds are not common here and definitely aren't taken outside as the weather sucks most of the time. I have heard of chihuahuas being taken by raptors when out in the yard but not in close proximity to people.
 
tenchijin said:
Both of those hawks are avid bird eaters in any case. Around here the can often be found stalking bird feeders. However, no one I've ever known or heard of has had an animal taken from him by a hawk in this area. I imagine in some places it could happen but people here walk their very small dogs without fear daily. Exotic birds are not common here and definitely aren't taken outside as the weather sucks most of the time. I have heard of chihuahuas being taken by raptors when out in the yard but not in close proximity to people.
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Coopers and Sharp Shinneds DO take animals off people's shoulders since I know several people who have lost their small parrots to them. Just because you don't know anyone who takes their small parrots outside doesn't mean I don't know them. I've had to console these people. All hawks are opportunistic hunters. Coopers and Sharp Shinneds will take anything, and they'll take it right out of a tree or a bush. And off people's shoulders.
 
jajeanpierre said:
Coopers and Sharp Shinneds DO take animals off people's shoulders since I know several people who have lost their small parrots to them. Just because you don't know anyone who takes their small parrots outside doesn't mean I don't know them. I've had to console these people. All hawks are opportunistic hunters. Coopers and Sharp Shinneds will take anything, and they'll take it right out of a tree or a bush. And off people's shoulders.
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what chance will that happen on my watch?
 
jajeanpierre said:
Coopers and Sharp Shinneds DO take animals off people's shoulders since I know several people who have lost their small parrots to them. Just because you don't know anyone who takes their small parrots outside doesn't mean I don't know them. I've had to console these people. All hawks are opportunistic hunters. Coopers and Sharp Shinneds will take anything, and they'll take it right out of a tree or a bush. And off people's shoulders.
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I believe you're misunderstanding me. I'm telling you it doesn't happen MOST places. I said specifically "In this area". First you started with seagulls, ravens, and hawks. Now we're down to 2 species of hawk that are known bird hunters taking parrots from people, not lizards. I'd be curious to know where you live, incidentally. I would never leave a chameleon in a tree or bush more than 10 ft away, partly because of hawks but mostly because of cats and dogs.

It's great to warn people about remote possibilities but perspective is important.
 
tenchijin said:
I believe you're misunderstanding me. I'm telling you it doesn't happen MOST places. I said specifically "In this area". First you started with seagulls, ravens, and hawks. Now we're down to 2 species of hawk that are known bird hunters taking parrots from people, not lizards. I'd be curious to know where you live, incidentally. I would never leave a chameleon in a tree or bush more than 10 ft away, partly because of hawks but mostly because of cats and dogs.

It's great to warn people about remote possibilities but perspective is important.
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agreed
 
It's alright for my Cham to bask all day right?
 

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EveryGreen said:
we live next to the woods, weve seen racoons, foxes and cats around our place
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I live in the woods, not next to them and my chams live outside 24/7 once summer hits. I have to have secure enclosures so nothing can get in because I'm not always there to watch them.
 
Nursemaia said:
I live in the woods, not next to them and my chams live outside 24/7 once summer hits. I have to have secure enclosures so nothing can get in because I'm not always there to watch them.
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You mean like the woods is beyond your fence? Same here
 
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