Action Jackson
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Sorry to hear this. Good luck with the others.
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In the third picture.. She tried to get blood from where the green starts. right around his back legs. She tried two or three different positions then gave up thinking we would try again on his next checkup.
From all my research, this vet is no yahoo... she has experience with Parsons. Everyone in Austin recommended her. The vet said that she is calling experts for further advice.
Jason
I would like to emphasize, however, that unless a concern about a rule violation is voiced to the moderators (either via PM or the report function on every post), we may not always notice an issue so that it can be dealt with. The posting of the name of the clinic in this thread was not done prominently, in my opinion, was not done in a negative reference at the time, and as far as I can tell, the actual name of the clinic was not given. I honestly had to go back and find what you were talking about after reading your post because I did not recall it being stated at all. As a result, and because it was not reported, obviously it slipped by and the moderators were unaware, not allowing it. Rather than simply delete his post and yours for specific mention of the vet and clinic (by way of her CV in yours), which would keep Jason's original account of what happened and all subsequent posts but remove the new perspective you provided, I will leave them for the time being and request that Brad go in an edit the posts in question to remove identifying details.
In any event, I hope the results of the necropsy help illuminate what is going on so that the surviving animals can hopefully benefit from that knowledge.
Chris
So a blood draw and a X-ray is protocol for a possible RI/URI?
This video shows how it's done and how I have seen it done. It does mention a lateral approach which apparently is good in iguanas. Not sure about chameleons but I have only experienced draws from under the tail.
The short answer is yes. Other factors may change which specific diagnostics are prioritized or changed but ideally any risk of pneumonia should get xrays and bloodwork to determine the extent of the infection.So a blood draw and a X-ray is protocol for a possible RI/URI?
But the darker discoloration does not travel up the tail to the body, and paralysis certainly would not be a result of a blood draw from the tail just based on the anatomy of the nervous system.
Be it actions by the vet team (out of neglect, or more likely on accident) or a massive break down over the course of minutes due to stress. Not the fact that it may have had an RI for the past 2 weeks leading up to this visit and that moment in time it crashed.
Years ago, a friend of mine, Pete Mackevich, in PA, had imported a whole group of johnstoni. This is mid-90's. He showed me the last survivor, an ugly, scarred-up female. All the others died the same way. They all seemed to thrive initially. One by one, they dropped dead, with blood in their mouths. Necroscopies were preformed and found the same problem with each one of them: Severe respiratory infections secondary to parasitic infections by a type of lung-worm.
He guessed these parasites were common in the species, but the stress of importation - coupled with the parasite - had made the animals much more sensitive to respiratory infections. According to him, these were sizable worms.
Just 20 year old info that may be of interest, even though it might not be directly applicable. Couldn't hurt.
I hope these guys do well, they're beautiful.