Tropical Moss...?
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Syn
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So, if LLL sold an aquarium with their chameleon package, would that make it right? Do your research before buying anything -- it will save you money and maybe a chameleon! Good luck.
IMO - there is nothing wrong with taking green sphagnum moss, and draping it from the vines that come in the cage packages, or putting a few patches here and there around the cage. It is totally digestible if eaten, holds humidity, and looks pretty cool - which is why we include it in the package. Plus - it actually points out the fact that you should NOT use any sort of bark or hard substrate in cham cages. The issue with bedding is a digestion issue, not a bacterial issue. Anything not kept clean in the cage can cause a bacterial issue. If you don't wash out your vines, moss in the terrarium, plants, the cage itself, that can all be unsafe... If you just had a plain, empty cage, I guess you could avoid bacteria all together, but then it would be one ugly cage 
Good luck with your new setup!
Scott
LLLReptile & Supply
Good luck with your new setup!
Scott
LLLReptile & Supply
Carlton
Chameleon Enthusiast
IMO - there is nothing wrong with taking green sphagnum moss, and draping it from the vines that come in the cage packages, or putting a few patches here and there around the cage. It is totally digestible if eaten, holds humidity, and looks pretty cool - which is why we include it in the package. Plus - it actually points out the fact that you should NOT use any sort of bark or hard substrate in cham cages. The issue with bedding is a digestion issue, not a bacterial issue. Anything not kept clean in the cage can cause a bacterial issue. If you don't wash out your vines, moss in the terrarium, plants, the cage itself, that can all be unsafe... If you just had a plain, empty cage, I guess you could avoid bacteria all together, but then it would be one ugly cage
Good luck with your new setup!
Scott
LLLReptile & Supply
A question for you Scott (glad to see you here!)
Doesn't sphagnum have some sharply pointed fibers/tissues that can cause intestinal problems or gum injuries if ingested? Are we talking about different mosses here? In experienced hands I can see using some moss in a cham setup, but as usual we are concerned about a newbie's understanding of its limitations.
ChamOh
Established Member
well said.
I think he's taking the appropriate steps to research...
OP, your question question is a very logical one (shouldn't everything in a "chameleon package" be safe??). But moss just seems to be more of a pain than it may be worth (and its worth is only aesthetic as far as i can see)--you'd want to be careful the animal isnt injesting a bunch of it and that it isn't getting too wet and harboring mold/bacteria, so using it as a substrate is a bad idea. if you cup feed, i can see using a safe moss sparingly as decoration (and it would look pretty cool--I'm imagining my cage decked out in Spanish moss!), but I wouldn't bother personally, as I tend to go for functionality.
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Syn
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There are different kinds of Sphagnum moss. I think there are difference based on where it is harvested.
Syn
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Sold! Oh wait a second..
Steaphon
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Just a note:
My wife recently "surprised" me with a Veiled Cham baby that was supposed to be somewhat larger and was ordered from LLL. Died within a day and when we called them, basically it was "Tough, see ya". I would not purchase from them again, ever. Probably the worst Customer service I have ever experienced. The little lady was black within hours. Very sad for us and Horrible for her. We have been keeping Cham's for years and I was very sad with the outcome. I would much rather they had kept her for a while longer before shipping her or sending an older Cham, which is what my wife believed we were getting, not a hatchling. Good luck though if you do make the purchase.
My wife recently "surprised" me with a Veiled Cham baby that was supposed to be somewhat larger and was ordered from LLL. Died within a day and when we called them, basically it was "Tough, see ya". I would not purchase from them again, ever. Probably the worst Customer service I have ever experienced. The little lady was black within hours. Very sad for us and Horrible for her. We have been keeping Cham's for years and I was very sad with the outcome. I would much rather they had kept her for a while longer before shipping her or sending an older Cham, which is what my wife believed we were getting, not a hatchling. Good luck though if you do make the purchase.
Not that this board is the area for your "complaint", but I find it DIFFICULT to believe that this is the entire story. We have a full 3 day, 100% satisfaction guarantee. I am MORE than happy to hear further information privately - who you spoke to, and find out further details. I guarantee that "too bad" was not said to you without justification - i.e. we didn't hear from you until long after the guarantee - chameleon was in a glass tank, etc. But we absolutely, 100% stand behind our animals, and our guarantee, and I am more than happy to re-visit this specific incident with you personally and will absolutely rectify it if someone in our warehouse did not handle the situation properly. Feel free to PM me directly on this site. I will NOT respond to a post about this though on the board, and the mod will remove it if it is, as this is not the type of forum that allows these posts, what-so-ever. PM me directly - I will absolutely discuss it with you. I just have the feeling that we are not hearing the entire story here. Anyone that knows me on here knows that this will be easily solved - so shoot me a message with complete details and we can figure it out.
Scott
LLLReptile & Supply
Scott
LLLReptile & Supply
Steaphon
Member
Hi Scott
I appreciate it Scott. Why don't you email me @ [email protected] and we will discuss it. I am sorry if being honest and advising about a bad situation was "against the rules". I also PM'd you and am awaiting your response.
I appreciate it Scott. Why don't you email me @ [email protected] and we will discuss it. I am sorry if being honest and advising about a bad situation was "against the rules". I also PM'd you and am awaiting your response.
carol5208
Chameleon Enthusiast
the problem with moss is the cham can injest it. There was someone on here last week who let some crickets go in the cage and the cricket landed on the moss and the cham shot at the cricket and also took some moss in its mouth with the crickets and was choking and having problems with its mouth open like it had it stuck in its throat. It might look cool, but is not worth your chameleon's health or maybe even its life for that matter.
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