Veiled Chameleon's Disproportionate Leg

mshs123

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Chameleon Info:

* Your Chameleon - Veiled chameleon, male, a little over one year old. We have had him in our care for one year, I think we got him around three months old.
* Handling - At least once daily. He is the type of chameleon who is happier outside of his tank rather than in it, I'm not sure why. His colors are typically much brighter when we hold him, and he likes climbing on us and being held, he does not get scared or aggressive at all. He is very peaceful.
* Feeding - We feed him mealworms and crickets, he stopped eating crickets for a couple months for some reason, but it seems he's gotten his appetite for them back. We typically feed him 5-12 worms (usually around 5), or 2-4 large crickets (usually 2), per day. There is no set schedule, and we try to feed the crickets vegetables and fruits, but they typically just eat the food from the pet store, which claims that it "gut loads" the crickets. He doesn't really like to eat vegetables or fruits himself.
* Supplements - Repti-vite with D3. This is the issue I am worried about - we have been dusting his food with this every other day until I discovered, today, the issues with D3. I am now looking for a calcium supplement without D3.
* Watering - We mist the tank for a few minutes per day, but this does not efficiently get our chameleon to drink. His favorite way to drink is for us to spray water directly into his mouth for about a minute, until he signals that he's done drinking. I don't let him go more than one or two days without doing this, or else I get worried.
* Fecal Description - Our chameleon has never been tested for parasites, but his feces look pretty normal. About a third of the white droppings are yellow, but the rest is white, so I'm not worried about dehydration. The brown part has never looked too runny or strange. Both the white and the brown fecal matter has remained the same since we got him.
* History - No serious health issues at all, from what I can tell. No problems with dehydration, respiration problems, infections (except for some strange bumps on the bottom of his feet that seemed to have gone away after he shed the skin on there), no mouth issues, no infected eyes, no hunger strikes, etc. For our first chameleon he has remained pretty healthy. The only thing I'm worried about is the possibility of MBD or some deformation in one of his legs. We have never taken him to a vet before, but if this issue is serious, we definitely will try to find one and take him.


Cage Info:

* Cage Type - 4 feet tall, 3 feet wide, 3 feet long. My chameleon is only a foot long, including his tail, and I believe he has stopped growing. The cage has two walls which are a type of metal wire, and then two sides which are mesh. He can climb on both fabrics.
* Lighting - For daily lighting, we leave his UVB light on from 7-7, 12 hours, sometimes longer if we take him out for awhile during the day, and we leave his heat lamp on for the day and the night, as it's not super warm where I live. For our UVB we're using a Zilla light fixture. I'm not sure what the bulb is called, but it's very bright and covers most of the top of the cage very well. I know for sure it's not a compact bulb, the tube is very large. As for the heat bulb, I believe it's 60 watts. Oftentimes we let him sunbathe in natural light.
* Temperature - I don't think my chameleon is very picky about temperature range. The bottom of the cage is around 70-80 degrees I believe, and the basking area is 80-90. I only have one thermometer which I use to measure the cool side of the cage. The lowest overnight temp ever would probably be 60-70 degrees F.
* Humidity - Our humidity is very bad. Since we moved our chameleon from a glass tank to a screened cage to help with the air flow, we haven't been able to get the humidity over 30. We're measuring our humidity through a gauge within the cage. The only way to get humidity for us is to spray the tank, which doesn't really work, until we find another solution. Any recommendations would be appreciated!
* Plants - No live plants, only bark at the bottom, some moss, and fake plants.
* Placement - We moved the cage to a warmer spot, so it is no longer near any fans or air vents. There isn't typically much traffic in the area either
* Location - I'm located in the Midwest, USA.


Current Problem - I'm concerned about my chameleon's right leg, as well as his vitamin intake. Because he was only eating worms for awhile, we upped his vitamin intake to make up for the nutrients he was not getting from the crickets or vegetables. I did not realize the Repti-vite had D3, which, after reading forums on here, needs to be limited. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with the growth of his right leg, but it may. We typically give a light dusting of this powder to his food every other day, but since he doesn't have large amounts of food, it's probably equal to how much he'd get from a dusting of 12 crickets once a week, if that makes sense. He doesn't have a huge appetite, so he's not taking in massive amounts of the supplement during his feedings. I'm really worried about what this issue could be. It's as if his right leg is stronger and more "bulky" than the left leg. The joint area is rather large, and when I touch it it feels firm, like a bone or a muscle. There is no weakness of grip, no soft bones, nothing like that. In fact, it seems that his right leg is stronger than his left, as he often uses that one to grab onto things. I don't see how it could be MBD, because his bones seem strong and he can hold onto things well. His grip is EXTREMELY strong, he oftentimes makes us bleed or leaves little holes in our hands from squeezing hard, lol. I'm wondering if anyone can help me with this issue, and also let me know about the D3. I am looking for a calcium supplement without D3 as we speak, and I plan to try gut loading the crickets with fresh foods. I really have no idea what the issue could be - definitely not a lack of calcium since he gets his UVB every day, as well as vitamins every other day. We have never had issues with serious dehydration because we constantly watch his water intake and prompt him to drink water, which he does. I'm including before and after pics so everyone can see the difference and how the right leg is disproportionate. We have only just recently noticed this, so it hasn't been a long-lasting issue. Once again, no serious issues with his health at all, regular sleep schedule, no loss of appetite, still drinking water, climbing and gripping well, doesn't seem to be in pain when I touch the lump. This is my first time ever having a chameleon and I'm only 16, so I don't know as much as others but I'm trying to educate myself. Please help, it is appreciated!
 

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I am not quite sure what is wrong, none of my chams ever did that, someone may come along though who has experience with lumpy legs. It kind of looks like it might be swelling.
 
i wouldnt say mbd or broken but like chameleonnerd said maybe dislocated it or it could be filled with fluids or bruised because when you get a bruise it gets swolen but ya get him to a vet for some x-rays
 
We got him from PetCo. I don't think it's dislocated because he's not showing signs of discomfort, and he still climbs all the time. When we take him out of his cage he climbs and walks all over the place without any issues. He also lets me touch the lump without pulling away. How much would an appointment with the vet be on average? I will probably take him if no one else has any recommendations. Thank you for your responses!
 
prices vary. i think my vet for a general wellness exam is 40

the reason i think it's dislocated is the shape of the leg. you can clearly see what would be the femur (not sure what it's called for a chameleon) with the ball joint at the end. just looks like it was popped out of the socket. but like you said, with no signs of discomfort i have no idea what would cause that
 
Petco, ouch, you got to be careful with those types of places. You never know when they are inbred, but I don't think he is. He could be though.
 
prices vary. i think my vet for a general wellness exam is 40

the reason i think it's dislocated is the shape of the leg. you can clearly see what would be the femur (not sure what it's called for a chameleon) with the ball joint at the end. just looks like it was popped out of the socket. but like you said, with no signs of discomfort i have no idea what would cause that

liquid build up??? maybe???
 
We got him from PetCo. I don't think it's dislocated because he's not showing signs of discomfort, and he still climbs all the time. When we take him out of his cage he climbs and walks all over the place without any issues. He also lets me touch the lump without pulling away. How much would an appointment with the vet be on average? I will probably take him if no one else has any recommendations. Thank you for your responses!

the vet costs me 75 dollars plus x ray but others on here i have heard as low as 50$ so the range is quite large iwould say take him to the vet also take a poop with you fo a fecal sample to be safe about $20 for that good luck and welcome to the forum.:):)
 
Yeah, if I could do it over again I definitely wouldn't get my chameleon from PetCo. I haven't had any problems until now. I'm glad to hear it doesn't look like MBD, that's a relief. Would you recommend taking him soon, or do I have time to find a good vet?
 
the sooner the better. although your chameleon has no apparent discomfort, something that looks like that and that has not been properly diagnosed yet could turn deadly fast, but i would say you have a week or two before you have to be concerned. also, the earlier it is diagnosed, the earlier the problem can be corrected before it possible gets worse and costs you more $$
 
Chameleons are very good at hiding illness and pain. I would get him to a vet as soon as you can. I wouldn't wait a week or two. Call around, find one with chameleon experience, and get him there as soon as you can.
 
Chameleons are very good at hiding illness and pain. I would get him to a vet as soon as you can. I wouldn't wait a week or two. Call around, find one with chameleon experience, and get him there as soon as you can.

i totally agree!!!!
 
i noticed his 'vines' are super slick bamboo type ones.. my cham hates anything that isnt kinda rough so he can give it a good grip.. just thought i'd point that out. maybe give him some more green in there plus proper vines/branches? maybe he will actually like his habitat if its a proper one :)

my cham hates leaving his happy place unless it involves silk worm treats LOL :rolleyes:
 
That's actually his favorite place to hang out! I also have some rough vines at the bottom of the tank, but he always gravitates towards the bamboo sticks. Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible for me to get my hands on any cool foods like different types of worms. Maybe because we've handled him since he was a baby he's simply used to it? Thank you for the recommendation!
 
You can get most feeders online...but obviously with just one chameleon you won't be able to use them in an economical manner. Maybe check around for other chameleon owners and see if you can set up a "feeder buddy" group in which you each order a different feeder and split them up among the group...that's just an idea.

I second the "dislocation" idea...it might well have happened before you ever had him. It's not uncommon for animals to develop extra strong muscles to compensate for an injury like that. It's conceivable that it does not bother him now and that any attempt to fix it would only cause discomfort...but that's just a theory I have. You should absolutely have a vet check it out.
 
What you're saying makes sense. I never noticed anything weird with his legs when I got him, but maybe it just suddenly started bothering him? I'm going to spend the weekend looking for the nearest vet, and hopefully I can schedule an appointment this week. I hope it isn't anything too serious.
 
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