Vinny's Eyes closed

Spene said:
Ok, so scrap the 15 w bulbs and just put some regular house bulbs in place of them? How about the Zoo med 60 watt? I have the Zoo med 60 watt close to the halogen.
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Don't put anything inside the open sockets in those fixtures. Just leave them open or off. I would spread the two fixtures out and put your 60w heat lamp in the middle. You do not want it to be a colored light, just a normal lamp.
 
no one has suggested it may be a vitamin issue. More than none eve in hospitals people die from nutritional/ vitamin issues that were over looked since they were looking for a BIG problem, and it was the lack of proper nutrition/ vitamins. just a thought.

are they the new Exoterra fixtures that take t5's instead of t8/12? if so the t5's may not put off as much at a distance ect. hagen released new hoods that held more bulbs at a smaller size to compensate (i dont know why they just did) and with the new t8 bulbs someone was saying something about some issues arising with the zoomed not being as strong as before, but i think dave knows more on the issue
 
Docility said:
no one has suggested it may be a vitamin issue. More than none eve in hospitals people die from nutritional/ vitamin issues that were over looked since they were looking for a BIG problem, and it was the lack of proper nutrition/ vitamins. just a thought.

are they the new Exoterra fixtures that take t5's instead of t8/12? if so the t5's may not put off as much at a distance ect. hagen released new hoods that held more bulbs at a smaller size to compensate (i dont know why they just did) and with the new t8 bulbs someone was saying something about some issues arising with the zoomed not being as strong as before, but i think dave knows more on the issue
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Making sure the lamps are matched to the fixture would be a good idea. But if I am not mistaken a T8 and T5 socket won't work together? I know T12 and T8 pins are spaced the same. Zoo Med doesn't have specs for the different types of lamps they sell. They all say T12 even for the 15":confused: They need to get on the ball with the 'details' of the products.:(

It seems to me Exo Terra has there site set-up a little better.... but they don't mention anything about T5 lamps.

As for supplements. What is the regiment you are using Spene?

Check out Brad Ramsey's site for some info.

Your cham could have something stuck in his eye. To clean out an infection Terramycin would be the thing to use. I would give your cham a really long shower. Have you ever done this before?
 
What are you feeding the supers and dubias?
Sometimes if my guy isn't looking his best its time to swap in some other feeders, and change up the gutload.
Maybe some crickets, silkworms, and hornworms could help perk him up.
 
Guys- thanks for all the responses- this forum is awesome. Really bad timing for this, I'm right in the middle of 2nd year law school exams, which are hellish.

I took him outside today and he got some sun, seemed to be doing fine this afternoon, but I'll have to see how he's doing in the morning.

I'll scrap the 15 watt bulbs and just roll with the 2 florescents, the zoo med bulb, and the halogen basking light. I am due for new florescent bulbs (probably overdue) so I'll be picking up some reptisun 10.0 bulbs as they seem to be the best.

Thanks again for all the responses, I'll keep everyone updated.

Also- what else should I be supplementing with?
 
I use calcium without D3 (Minerall-O would be fine) at 2 out of every 3 feedings.. About twice a month I use the zoomed, I believe its called Reptivite with D3.
 
Spene said:
Guys- thanks for all the responses- this forum is awesome. Really bad timing for this, I'm right in the middle of 2nd year law school exams, which are hellish.

I took him outside today and he got some sun, seemed to be doing fine this afternoon, but I'll have to see how he's doing in the morning.

I'll scrap the 15 watt bulbs and just roll with the 2 florescents, the zoo med bulb, and the halogen basking light. I am due for new florescent bulbs (probably overdue) so I'll be picking up some reptisun 10.0 bulbs as they seem to be the best.

Thanks again for all the responses, I'll keep everyone updated.

Also- what else should I be supplementing with?
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The three supplements Brad talks about on his site are a good place to start.

10.0 isn't always better. Since you were having eye issues I wouldn't go with the 10.0. More UVB for chams isn't always better. 10.0 lamps can cause chams to close their eyes.

5.0 is the way to go. Using a 5.0 Zoo Med with an aluminum reflector made from the foil you keep in your kitchen will do the trick. 5.0 lamps are even known to last up to 9 months.

Check out this thread: Link
 
I'd have to look.. I thought somebody tried it out in one of the UVB meter threads... maybe I'm completely wrong, though it does stand to reason that drastically less light penetrates the reptarium mesh vs. regular screen.

Might have just been a comment from ChromaChameleons, but it appeared that he had tested it.
 
chequepoint said:
I'd have to look.. I thought somebody tried it out in one of the UVB meter threads... maybe I'm completely wrong, though it does stand to reason that drastically less light penetrates the reptarium mesh vs. regular screen.

Might have just been a comment from ChromaChameleons, but it appeared that he had tested it.
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You are right in some respects... :eek: It does cut down more than the normal screen... I just took a reading real fast and at 6" I got something like 8-12 on my meter.... this was at the end of the tube... not the middle and I don't have a reflector on this fixture. Tomorrow I will take some readings after work with the same fixture and foil I used in my thread "Some Readings".

We'll do some science :D
 
Hmmm, I wasn't aware that the reptarium cut off light that much- maybe I'll cut some of the top out so the lights aren't obstructed.
 
chequepoint said:
He's using a reptarium... I recall seeing a lot of evidence that a 5.0 barely penetrates a reptarium.
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I think, and don't quote me on this that's it's roughly 60% of an intensity drop when using a flexarium (I'm presuming we just have a different name over here in the UK for that cage!) (also, that's without a reflector). With a reflector it'll be considerably less! Would like to know your results to confirm this!
 
K guys, let me know your thoughts. I hadn't fed Vinny in a few days while his eyes have been weird, and he woke up yesterday perfectly fine. So, I decided to feed him a superworm and some Dubia's- he ate a worm and one of the roaches. Now, again this morning, one of his eyes is shut. I'm thinking it may be something with the feeders, but I don't know what- really weird.
 
Vinny was fine yesterday afternoon, then again this morning both eyes are closed. I've taken the advice of everyone on here and cut out the top of the reptarium so more UV can get through. I really don't know what the deal is, I thought it was feeders, but I didn't feed him yesterday.



 
There is something wrong with his eyes for sure. It doesn't look like dehydration though to me. I don't know much man, but I would make the sacrifice to take him to a vet asap. Stop the condition before it gets worse...
 
Spene said:
Vinny was fine yesterday afternoon, then again this morning both eyes are closed. I've taken the advice of everyone on here and cut out the top of the reptarium so more UV can get through. I really don't know what the deal is, I thought it was feeders, but I didn't feed him yesterday
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My advice was to reduce the amount of UV. I think it is very unwise to increase the intensity of the UV he is exposed. Please read this: http://uvguide.co.uk/phototherapyphosphor.htm I think this is what your cham is suffering from, which is why I suggested to reduce the amount. Nothing bad can happen by reducing his UV for a while, but an increase could do considerable damage right now if it is the cause. Just try and reduce it and see if there is an improvement.

Obviously this is no substitute for getting him to a vet ASAP!

p.s - sorry I didn't notice that you said you were going to cut some of the top away yesterday
 
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SliK JiM said:
My advice was to reduce the amount of UV. I think it is very unwise to increase the intensity of the UV he is exposed. Please read this: http://uvguide.co.uk/phototherapyphosphor.htm I think this is what your cham is suffering from, which is why I suggested to reduce the amount. Nothing bad can happen by reducing his UV for a while, but an increase could do considerable damage right now if it is the cause. Just try and reduce it and see if there is an improvement.

Obviously this is no substitute for getting him to a vet ASAP!

p.s - sorry I didn't notice that you said you were going to cut some of the top away yesterday
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Well, I've removed the 4 other bulbs, now all he has are the two 5.0 florescents, a halogen basking light and the zoo med day light. The 5.0's are over a year old, I just can't think he's getting that much UV and it's also strange that it would come on all of a sudden. I'm not feeding him today either to see if it's something with the feeders- he had a day where nothing was wrong, but it seems to have returned since I fed him.

So are you saying I should turn all his lights off?
 
Okay, looked at that link, I've turned off everything but the basking light- really weird it would just develp like that, I've had the same lamps in there forever.
 
Don't turn them both off, leave one of the UV's on, but place it away from the basking site (so he can still bask and not get any more UVB radiation). If you notice things improving over the next few days, then stick with the one tube and the basking bulb as this should allow him to normalize out.

It is really odd, but it's the darkening of the eyes that concerns me, as that is a pretty typical symptom.

It is in both eyes yeah? It's not possible for one of the feeders to have caught his eye when your cham was eating it and just gave it a little scratch?

I hope you don't mind but I sent the pics to a guy who maintains that site to get a better opinion. Hopefully he'll be able to help more than me!
 
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