weekend with Furcifer minor

[redtom123]

The weather was fine and the time was right for a nice shooting with my F. minor group in the garden.
Since May the minors are in the garden. The medium weather is very nice for them.
But also the hot sun like this weekend is not realy a problem when they have a place in the shape and enough water.

 

[toddmkeller]

Wow... How many do you have in your group? Is there a decent population of CBB f. minor in your country? They are an amazing species.

See Ya,

Todd

 

[redtom123]

F. minor

in the group are 4 males and 4 females from different bloodlines
we take care this species more then 4 years,
all of them have official papers
we are very happy to breed them succesfully

 

[ciafardo 4]

Tom they are beautiful how many have you produced so far?

 

[Klemins]

Wow, they look great. More pictures!

 

[chameleonman57]

Amazing pictures of both chameleons.

 

[eisentrauti]

Nice pics, Tom and very healthy looking animals

@Todd: In comparison to the US it's not so difficult to get them here, but they are still a very special species !

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Those are great pictures! That species is known to do very well in captivety. Did you know there are two types of Minor chameleons. The regular and the Giant minors chameleon similar to Carpet Chameleons (as having a Giant from).

 

[eisentrauti]

No, not really

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

They show video of the two types in the Chameleons of Madagascar video. John Uhern of Reptile Specialities in Southern California used to mention the two types before he closed up his operation. In the video they show a picture of the large minor male and no pictures of the large minor females.

Just a question I've had and been meaning to ask. Eisentrauti or any one else, have any of you ever seen a live or a picture of an Eisentrauti chameleon? The only info I've got is that they live in the tropical rainforests of central Africa and are fairly large.

 

[eisentrauti]

I think you mean Furcifer lateralis major

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

There are two and they show both types of males in the Chameleons of Madagascar video. If you look the male is bronze and is significantly large than the other adult males. Kind of amazed me maybe a subspecies. Check for yourself.

 

[eisentrauti]

Do you have any other references for this beside a video

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

John Uhern used to say he imported them from time to time and said they were really neat. I think their may be a picture in one of my chameleon books back at my apartment in Davis (although listed as a normal minor chameleon). I've got to check (the book is jewels of the forest book).

Eisentrauti have you or anyone else ever seen a live or picture of an Eisentrauti chameleon? I heard they're a larger chameleon.

 

[eisentrauti]

It's not possible to import Furcifer minor - I'm still sure you mix them up with major.

Yes of course I have seen pics of eisentrauti, but I never seen an alive animal (someday I travel to Cameroon )

 

[Damaranum]

Hi Thomas,

Nice pictures and animals!

Regards,
Steven

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

No John Uhern is an importer from well before the CITES ban and he said got a small shipment of them in every couple years is what he said. Check the video and see if you notice the size difference (would not use color as an indicator as the smaller forms in this post are also bronze). The larger minor in the video also has wider and longer tusks.

What does the eisentrauti (horn , saifin back, and are they large like a quad or deremensis) look like and where can I find a photo?

 

[eisentrauti]

They look very similar to quads, without horns and the crests are smaller:
http://www.seh-herpetology.org/images/books/covers/bonnensis.gif

The ban starts now nearly 15 years ago, so I don't think if this infomations are very plausible. The "normal" minors could be as well nearly 25 cm long (males) and I haven't heard anything anytimes about a subspecies.

@ Steven: Do you have informations about this ?

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Yeah Reptile Specialties was in buisness from about 1990 to 2002 (I've been keeping chameleons since 1994). The owner John and I used to talk about before the ban and he said there was two kinds of minors chameleons that he had seen (a normal and a giant). Similar to Ousetleti's chameleons there are a handful of different kinds however you never hear any mention of these different kinds.

Thanks for the Eisentrauti photo that is a cool looking chameleon.

 

[Damaranum]

From furcifer minor there are no subspecies.

With lateralis there is spoken about lateralis lateralis and lateralis major.
But actually it is descriped as furcifer lateralis and furcifer major.

It's true that the major and lateralis look quite similar (although the difference is good te see) but they don't really look like the minor.

Steven