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[mczoo]

Well today started with dragging myself out of bed to meet my new Cham. after my recent post about mountain chams (some mild begging involved) and waiting for a day off. he is finally here

Box arrived

in the box i found

holding on to that towel. he must have read "the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy"

hanging on the new ficus (yes the ficus washed/washed replanted washed and in my possesion for 4 weeks) i am replanting it again today

walking into his new home (ok its so posed)

His new location with the same area as my female jackson green plasitc barrier between. his ficus was still outside for replanting

 

[Justin Carl]

Check it out!
He looks pissed in the third picture!
I've never seen him that fired up before.
here are his going away pictures.

 

[SoCaliSon]

He is awesome! I want one!

 

[Cainschams]

Why cant I see the pics. I want to seeeee!

Oh wait I guess I didnt give them enough time to load. He is awesome!

 

[Mcfluffin]

Lovely jubbly Handsome devil that one...never seen these captive in this country

 

[Electric]

wow I still can't get over how amazing looking that guy/species is, ever since his first appearance on the forum I've been drooling lol, I love how his pearly blue scales just glow in the pics

so what do the required temps/humidity look like for this species? I'm assuming way high humidity and cool temps, but, are they one that requires an extreme night time drop down to like 12C-13C? (not sure what that adds up to in F)

 

[Kat77]

He is gorgeous! So cute climbing up that big vine!

 

[nightcrawler]

i cant wait to get some mountains of my own.
he is really awesome, and i would be excited to get him.
i cant wait to visit him when i go to school at ohio state.
he will be pretty big by then.
im so happy for you.

 

[Chamgirl]

I know I'll be unpopular for saying it but I'll say it anyway. That first photo of the box made me feel upset thinking about that beautiful chameleon being packaged up like that. In England, most of us would report people who send live animals in the postal system.

 

[nightcrawler]

I know I'll be unpopular for saying it but I'll say it anyway. That first photo of the box made me feel upset thinking about that beautiful chameleon being packaged up like that. In England, most of us would report people who send live animals in the postal system.

how do they send them if its not ups air? or something simular?

 

[Mcfluffin]

I think most of the time we can get to them to collect in this country. I think with the right courier it is OK

 

[Kent67]

I think most of the time we can get to them to collect in this country.

If your country was 3,000 miles long and had horrible transportation systems....how would you do it?

By the way, that's an awesome Sailfin, take care of that boy!

 

[Chamgirl]

I think most of the time we can get to them to collect in this country. I think with the right courier it is OK

Agreed, most would use a reptile courier if they couldn't collect. I have always collected myself. If the chameleon is just parcelled up for a couple of hours then that is more humane then an overnight postal service. That photo on the start of this thread showed the box didn't have any indication a live animal was inside. I can imagine the parcel was tossed into a couple of vans or put on an aeroplane with no care. No wonder the chameleon looked very stressed upon arrival.

 

[Justin Carl]

I said " live animal, perishable" on two sides

 

[LaserGecko]

If the chameleon is just parcelled up for a couple of hours then that is more humane then an overnight postal service.

You'd better avoid seeing how they get exported from the wild, then!

There's nothing inhumane about proper shipping. Reptile brains aren't complex enough to have feelings, so they can't get their feelings hurt.

Cool little dude, btw!

 

[Mcfluffin]

You'd better avoid seeing how they get exported from the wild, then!

There's nothing inhumane about proper shipping. Reptile brains aren't complex enough to have feelings, so they can't get their feelings hurt.

Don't mean to start a debate...but stress does count as a 'feeling'...they are pretty complex hormonally and it doesn't only need a brain in the nervous system to show intelligence and sentience...brain size is NO measure of intelligence AT ALL!

Chemeleons show their 'feelings' more than many other animals...I don't like blanket statements like this about animals which could be more knowing than many give them credit for.

Having said that, I do think good shipping can be OK I also agree that getting them here from Africa or Madagascar in the first place is no pretty picture

 

[mczoo]

somewhat sorry i posted the box picture now.

he was shipped in a very humane and careful manner, both myself and his prior owner were very concerned about him and arranged his transpot carefully. unfortunately we are over 1000 miles apart. He arrived in good shape, he was enjoying his new home all day yesterday and ate like a pig this morning

I plan on taking good care of him for many years to come and his traveling days are over

Sean

 

[leanna156]

I think he's adorable. Speaking of the box, I can make out the city it was addressed to. I think you're 5 or 10 minutes away from me.

 

[Chamgirl]

You'd better avoid seeing how they get exported from the wild, then!

There's nothing inhumane about proper shipping. Reptile brains aren't complex enough to have feelings, so they can't get their feelings hurt.

Cool little dude, btw!

I do know how chameleons get exported from the wild. I started off with wild caught when I first got into chameleons 8 years ago. Since then I am more educated about it and personally would only buy captive bred these days.

Your other comment has shown your serious lack of understanding about chameleons. I don't suppose I can influence your decision about shipping methods but if my argument makes just one other person think about the bigger picture then I am glad I decided to voice my opinion.

I know of one case in England where unknown to the buyer her leopard geckos (that she thought were going to be couriered) were put in the post. The parcel got lost in the post for some time and the geckos arrived dead.

Edit: Rant aside that is one beautiful chameleon and I am sure you will look after him mczoo, I am glad to hear his travelling days are over

 

[Champhibians]

congrats on your new cham he looks great and you should be proud to have a chameleon like that shipped to you. I dont like shipping them anymore than the next person but that might be the only chace you have at getting a chameleon like that.