What happens to the ugly chams?

What happens to the ugly chams?

I thought that was why God invented beer, so there would be no "ugly" chams ?

Beauty being in the eye of the beholder, but if one buys animals that are too small to be showing strong indications of future color, then you are putting yourself at far greater risk to end up with an "ugly" cham. Frankly, I think a main reason chams, especially panthers, are marketed by many when they are too small to show color is to avoid the eventual disparity between how it is destined to color up vs. the expectation created when it was sold by the bloodlines advertised.

Secondly, if the animal is actually an Indonesian import being misrepresented as being CB here in the U.S, which is common, there is another reason to sell it small. If it is only 8-12 weeks old, and 4-5 inches long, the likely filarial worms it is carrying have not had a chance to grow large enough yet and migrate to the outer skin layers, thereby revealing that it was not produced in the U.S., as claimed, but rather in the Indian Ocean region where the specific mosquitoes exist to infect chameleons. This is typical of Indo imports, as filarials typically need 4-5 months in-body to manifest in the outer skin layers.

Tyler is correct too that prime animals tend to show up in the priciest markets, while less stellar animals tend to go wholesale.

Lastly, I did run an ad once for "Ugly" chameleons. Someone else then ran an add for the same species claiming they had the "pretty" ones. I don't think either of us sold much, and I chose not repeat the boast in future ads. :cool:
 
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Lastly, I did run an ad once for "Ugly" chameleons. Someone else then ran an add for the same species claiming they had the "pretty" ones. I don't think either of us sold much, and I chose not repeat the boast in future ads. :cool:

Personally i would rather buy a "ugly" cham...i mean i have nothing to show off to anyone, i keep my guys in my room and i the only person that goes in there is my g/f, and if i did buy a pricy high end guy that only ended up being average i would be dissapointed.

Also the cash i would save on buying the "ugly" one could go to creating an awesome set up that would make him/her the happiest chameleon i could.

And someone said something along the lines of this earlier, its amazing what a good set up and watering can do for a dull panther.

Which i do believe.
 

Secondly, if the animal is actually an Indonesian import being misrepresented as being CB here in the U.S, which is common, there is another reason to sell it small. If it is only 8-12 weeks old, and 4-5 inches long, the likely filarial worms it is carrying have not had a chance to grow large enough yet and migrate to the outer skin layers, thereby revealing that it was not produced in the U.S., as claimed, but rather in the Indian Ocean region where the specific mosquitoes exist to infect chameleons. This is typical of Indo imports, as filarials typically need 4-5 months in-body to manifest in the outer skin layers.

ha ha I love you Jim. Little girl is doing great. Eats like such a pig I'm going to name her after one of my ex girlfriends. ;)
 
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I'd just love to see an ad that went:

Pretty run of the mill ambilobe from who knows where, could be a hybrid for all I know. Its not like I can identify what the mother really is, I just have to assume the scumbag on kingsnake that sold her to me isn't a liar or an idiot. Here's a picture of the "sire", its either that or a picture I stole off of google. Anyways, it will probably end up looking halfway decent, who knows. Its 3 months old and they all look the same to me.
$299


That made my day! :p
 

Beauty being in the eye of the beholder, but if one buys animals that are too small to be showing strong indications of future color, then you are putting yourself at far greater risk to end up with an "ugly" cham.

I don't know about "ugly" (Thaxter being a Thing of Beauty and a Joy Forever), but to me part of the fun of a panther is buying this little, dull tan creature and watching its colors develop over several months, not knowing quite how it's going to turn out. But I'm not breeding, and I don't absolutely need one color or another; I'm just looking for a fascinating pet.
 
Years ago, if you bought a captive bred panther, there was a very good chance the thing would be ugly as sin. Fact was, it was hard as hell to know for sure that the breeder you got them from knew for sure that the importer he got the female from knew for sure that the exporter he got her from knew for sure exactly WHERE it came from, and if it was a red, rainbow or blue. As that's how they were marketed.

Now, we have (some of them, anyway) breeders that know their females came from importers who know the origin of their animals.

It was rare to see a beautiful CB panther - it often seemed that they were all ugly F1 crosses!
 
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