What is your favorite panther variety?

[facelesdoll]

nosey faly are quite turquoise!. and i do believe ambato looks similar to them even. though locale ambato has been recognized in the chameleon hobby longer than that of which being nosy faly. so it is a true occuring locale. in other words and more specifically wild caught ambato vs a cb faly. they both have out standing white patterns and appear similar-ish yet both with turquoise. those photos do ambato no justice either. but i just grabbed those pics quick so i didnt seem crazy. i have researched locale specifics for 3 generations

 

[facelesdoll]

i do believe i may be able to purchase the one on the left which is owned by a friend of mine. but id like a female to go with him. and in his old wc age i am not fortunate with money enough to supply him with an imported female. ambato are not steadily imported here. most people do not know for they do not demand. and europe pays more for wild panthers anywho so ofcourse they get to buy what africa and madagascar want them to. we should demand these locales!!! we need them for captive preservation of locales.

 

[Ace]

nosey faly are quite turquoise!. and i do believe ambato looks similar to them even. though locale ambato has been recognized in the chameleon hobby longer than that of which being nosy faly. so it is a true occuring locale. in other words and more specifically wild caught ambato vs a cb faly. they both have out standing white patterns and appear similar-ish yet both with turquoise. those photos do ambato no justice either. but i just grabbed those pics quick so i didnt seem crazy. i have researched locale specifics for 3 generations

i had no speculation that you were carzy i am aware enough that there are other locales out there that havent been recognized nor brought to the media's attention...and i am glad people like you and others are trying to make the unknown ones actually be KNOWN to the public....thank you for the info and is e3xciting to know the possbility of more panther variations out there i commend f or your amount of research and hope for the best to you and your studies

 

[Ace]

i do believe i may be able to purchase the one on the left which is owned by a friend of mine. but id like a female to go with him. and in his old wc age i am not fortunate with money enough to supply him with an imported female. ambato are not steadily imported here. most people do not know for they do not demand. and europe pays more for wild panthers anywho so ofcourse they get to buy what africa and madagascar want them to. we should demand these locales!!! we need them for captive preservation of locales.

i fully agree, and hope your goal is fully realized in due time...

 

[facelesdoll]

with that i am proud to fortell i will be recieving an "ampiskiana" locale hehehe yay!. i am young per say 26. but ive been researching since i was just a lad. i have myself geographically researched panthers in various regions that not even olaf pronk made noticed. i also believe there is a problem with importing ambilobe somehow from the shipping yard. i believe some form of various mini locales are being collected together even though there is some geographic formation preventing some of the locales from being more associated naturaly that get mixed up in some form of confussion. some ambilobes look more sambava as some look ambanja????? hmm i wonder why. there could be something there but then again picasso and sirama WERE when originally imported considered different things. maybe we lost that maybe im just paranoid. but id like to know, so we do not keep exploiting potential crosses as purebreeds

 

[Ace]

with that i am proud to fortell i will be recieving an "ampiskiana" locale hehehe yay!. i am young per say 26. but ive been researching since i was just a lad. i have myself geographically researched panthers in various regions that not even olaf pronk made noticed. i also believe there is a problem with importing ambilobe somehow from the shipping yard. i believe some form of various mini locales are being collected together even though there is some geographic formation preventing some of the locales from being more associated naturaly that get mixed up in some form of confussion. some ambilobes look more sambava as some look ambanja????? hmm i wonder why. there could be something there but then again picasso and sirama WERE when originally imported considered different things. maybe we lost that maybe im just paranoid. but id like to know, so we do not keep exploiting potential crosses as purebreeds

very interesting idea and research you have done, and i do see to the best of my own abilites the differences of ambilobes and other locales, but there are some that just seem "peculiar" to the decription that that locale, do you happen to know that there is a chance of finding the "original" panther from the different locales already known...or has years of geographic isolation and etc. already erased all trace of it(if ever existed)???

 

[facelesdoll]

and thank you!!! im trying currently so obtain my old pics from research so that soon in the future i can release them to the hobby. and i hope it can once again become a hbby away from the industry. i hope the prices go back up for our cheap locales. we as humans need dignity in our work. we have this brain of madness, for good. with that mind take seeds that other wise would not survive and grow them and with your mind alone stand infinite possibilities to make that plant survive. and we need to take this mind and preserve these locales, and pride our work. these chameleons tend to be so inexpenssive because we have been over flooded with industry and to catch up some not all breed half good genetics just to seek action in the cause. but i hope some can get over it and that others will give us the locales we need. amen and im not even religeous thoroughly

 

[Ace]

and thank you!!! im trying currently so obtain my old pics from research so that soon in the future i can release them to the hobby. and i hope it can once again become a hbby away from the industry. i hope the prices go back up for our cheap locales. we as humans need dignity in our work. we have this brain of madness, for good. with that mind take seeds that other wise would not survive and grow them and with your mind alone stand infinite possibilities to make that plant survive. and we need to take this mind and preserve these locales, and pride our work. these chameleons tend to be so inexpenssive because we have been over flooded with industry and to catch up some not all breed half good genetics just to seek action in the cause. but i hope some can get over it and that others will give us the locales we need. amen and im not even religeous thoroughly

i am howver somewhat religious of belief, but i do see your excited gesture in your statement, and like the analogy you placed as well, but even you must know that what makes us human, makes us bound to our nature and recurrent mistakes....but do see hope for future progress...

 

[facelesdoll]

geographically there arent per say force fields preventing such locales from meeting but just some distances and terrain least likely per chameleon travels making it not so typical. however ambanja is still ambanja there, ankify is still an ankify that differs from that and ambato is just another locale confussed with those 2. ankify and ambanja look similar but if you look at some peoples "ambanjas" you can clearly see the ankify bred into them, SOME times. im not saying its bad for the animal either, though i do not condone cross breeding as i personally want to succeed mastering pure locale specifics. some have speculated ambilobe may just be a meeting ground of different locales. who knows! some have seen animals in one small area that look nothing alike. so whats to really say. maybe we cant be perfect at this thing and figuring it out but i suggest we all try

 

[Ace]

geographically there arent per say force fields preventing such locales from meeting but just some distances and terrain least likely per chameleon travels making it not so typical. however ambanja is still ambanja there, ankify is still an ankify that differs from that and ambato is just another locale confussed with those 2. ankify and ambanja look similar but if you look at some peoples "ambanjas" you can clearly see the ankify bred into them, SOME times. im not saying its bad for the animal either, though i do not condone cross breeding as i personally want to succeed mastering pure locale specifics. some have speculated ambilobe may just be a meeting ground of different locales. who knows! some have seen animals in one small area that look nothing alike. so whats to really say. maybe we cant be perfect at this thing and figuring it out but i suggest we all try

you speak with great logic, and i do see the importance of differenciating the locales, but i have no issue with cross breeding...in a bigger sense because we are human, we see to "keep things different, seperate", dont get me wrong it helps scientifcally, but then leads to the ignorant side of judgement, prejuduce, and stereptypes...JMO

 

[Michael Ryan]

I've always loved Ambilobes because they are so diverse in the colors they show. Then again, I've never really understood why people like Nosy Be's because they are "just blue."

As my grandpa used to say, "that's why they make 32 different flavors of ice-cream."

I agree for the most part, although there can be a lot of variety with nosy be's if their parents are wild caught. Take a look at Jim's nosy be's (Chameleon company) they are really great examples. The true blues where selectively bred to be a solid blue color so there will be little or no variation.

 

[Olimpia]

I agree for the most part, although there can be a lot of variety with nosy be's if their parents are wild caught. Take a look at Jim's nosy be's (Chameleon company) they are really great examples. The true blues where selectively bred to be a solid blue color so there will be little or no variation.

Exactly. I have one of Jim's nosys and he's awesome. He's the only one I've seen that fires up yellow. He's only 10 months old and has a lot of growing to do, but so far his coloration has been a bit of a surprise.

 

[facelesdoll]

hey just because i preach my own means doesnt disreguard everything else. i just think we should look at everything as a whole and do our each and own thing. its what balances everything. all i was saying is we should research to the best we can and know which imports are what when imported., so we know which locales there are so atleast they can be described properly. ambilobes are most likely a natural cross hybrid. and right now thats all im working with. so per say nothing even my way isnt the right way to do things. though im trying to just match up similarities between my genetics to produce predominantly uniform in the sence that if someones interested in young of a sire the offspring should share many similarities to the sire.

 

[Ace]

hey just because i preach my own means doesnt disreguard everything else. i just think we should look at everything as a whole and do our each and own thing. its what balances everything. all i was saying is we should research to the best we can and know which imports are what when imported., so we know which locales there are so atleast they can be described properly. ambilobes are most likely a natural cross hybrid. and right now thats all im working with. so per say nothing even my way isnt the right way to do things. though im trying to just match up similarities between my genetics to produce predominantly uniform in the sence that if someones interested in young of a sire the offspring should share many similarities to the sire.

no need to be defensive...i do know what you say is VERY important whe nit comes to the locales of panther chameleons, and even all chameleon species...so that future owners do KNOW what they are getting, i am just giving my point of view in an abstract sense, there was no objective to your ideas, and aplogize for making you feel offensive and or defensive from my statement...its all good man

 

[facelesdoll]

that is partially what i mean. now each wc kinda has its own look. i like to try and breed for that look, so i basically match up a female from similar color or pattern bloodlines. so i could have 5 males and 10 female ambilobes but each group would be to best make a uniform matching look of the young to both sire and dam. a good example could be made of my recent project if anyone would like pics?

 

[Ace]

that is partially what i mean. now each wc kinda has its own look. i like to try and breed for that look, so i basically match up a female from similar color or pattern bloodlines. so i could have 5 males and 10 female ambilobes but each group would be to best make a uniform matching look of the young to both sire and dam. a good example could be made of my recent project if anyone would like pics?

please do... feel free to do so

 

[facelesdoll]

im taking a male from sire1 and breeding it to a girl from sire 2. one has hot orange and the other has hot yellow. both are blue bar. the yellow one has orange/pink highlights and the orange one has yellow and pink highlights. ill et a pic of the actual female from sire 2 tomorrow. and the male is just a baby! these are not my photos, though they are of the actual sires. thank you

 

[facelesdoll]

have you ever seen the nosy radama? http://www.camaleones.es/foro/index.php?topic=1668.0 these are the true pink panther allll the way at the bottom of the page

 

[ShaunaLynnA]

I would have to say the Nosy Faly...I love the colors they have and how beautiful they are. All panthers are gorgeous though so this is a tough question lol.

 

[Texas Panther Man]

To get this thread back on topic. My favorite locales are: Nosy Mitsio, & Nosy Faly. Both are very rare and I have breeding pairs of both.....