camimom
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How did you determine this cham has edema? Also, what is edema? and how do you treat it? just wondering.
What kind of chameleon is this?
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How did you determine this cham has edema? Also, what is edema? and how do you treat it? just wondering.
Chase
Chameleon Enthusiast
The picture makes me believe this is a male for one. Secondly, the rostal processes in hoehneli are decent sized in both sexes.
Here are examples of both males and females, full grown.
http://www.chamaeleonidae.com/Photography/Pages/Chamaeleonidae.html
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camimom
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First I would like to say, that is the coolest composition of cham photos ever!
And second, I still dont think its a rudis. I do agree that the rostral is not as pronounced in the one pictured as the pics from the link, but there could be reasons for that, old injury, birth defect, or just bad genetics. And there is still a rostral pictured, the coloring, the casgue, the face, everything says hoe to me.
Its coloring is off from a rudis as well. I looked at fl chams (I actually look at their site several times a week hoping a female hoe will come available) and dont think that the cham pictured is a rudis. i will say it could be a male, though the one pic is hard to really tell, and it wont load all the way to make it bigger on my computer.
Ace
Avid Member
Thank you for clearing this up Trace, much appreciated
The scales on the body looks more like a hoe with some scales larger than others sporadically scattered. It seems like the "rudis" have more uniform body scales.
Edit: didn't see Trace's response. Thanks Trace! Now I can tell them.
Edit: didn't see Trace's response. Thanks Trace! Now I can tell them.
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quarinteen
New Member
cross breed?
Extremely unlikely.
chameleongirl2
New Member
i think its a hoehnelli too, a female one... but i can't tell very well with just a picture (if anyone wants the picture larger, just click it, it becomes huge!)
carol5208
Chameleon Enthusiast
it is a build up of fluid. It seems to be common in the gular and from what I remember, members were told to cut back on supplements. See in the pic where it is kinda puffy between his/her front legs? Sometimes I think it just goes away on its own. you can probably search and find old threads with pics and info
camimom
New Member
Thanks! I did see that, but I wasnt sure if it was something wrong.
Glad to know so I can keep an eye out for it with Kermit.
I only supplement him every other feeding with repashy.
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
As Trace and others have said, its definitely a Trioceros hoehnelii and it appears to be a female. Females do not always have pronounced rostral horn nubs.
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okiroo
Avid Member
i may be off but thats a pic of my female hoe chloe. i took her to the vet and they took pics....if you look in the backround it looks like a vets office. lol. i can tell becuz her nose has a little black dot and her neckj the same fat
heres a link to a bunch of pics of chloe and clair-
https://www.chameleonforums.com/pics-darling-pic-heavy-72994/
no worrioes tho. the vet said he was takeing pics to post them in order to gain info about her and than he called me with a diagnostic. lol. mabey someone should tell him its not a veiled...
ps- OP please give me the link you got this from
heres a link to a bunch of pics of chloe and clair-
https://www.chameleonforums.com/pics-darling-pic-heavy-72994/
no worrioes tho. the vet said he was takeing pics to post them in order to gain info about her and than he called me with a diagnostic. lol. mabey someone should tell him its not a veiled...
ps- OP please give me the link you got this from
camimom
New Member
okiroo
Avid Member
yeah
im not too happy it was posted as a velied tho. i wrote on her thing shes a hoe. oh well i know how to treat her neck fat- more water less powder.yeah
Edema is caused by lots of reasons its not always that simple, but a good start to helping to remedy the situation. Good vets can help determine through blood testing. If I was you id be looking for a new vet in general with little more chameleons experience.
okiroo
Avid Member
i dont think im going to give up on him yet. the vet doesnt need to know a ton although when i took her we discuussed wether it was an ednema to she was just really fat. she might be both
i pre much just need him for meds and testing. i was going to get a blood test done but for now im going to raise the temps(done yesterday) and mist alot more and cut back supps. i'll watch her and see how she does and anything left over from that will be readressed with the vet again.
Wow, okiroo if you say it's your girl than it is! I apologize if I offended you by posting a picture. Your vet posted it to a veterinary forum to get some input from the expert exotic vets. I can't give you the link because you have to log in to view so you wouldn't be able to see it. Your vet just had a few questions, like whether or not it is edema and wanted to make sure your husbandry was correct (he had nothing bad to say about you or your husbandry!) and since he said it was a veiled I wanted to make sure he knew that it wasn't before he told you anything wrong. I was thinking Hoe but wanted to make sure since her nose shape isn't what I was expecting (but I don't have any experience with them), which is why I posted it. Sorry about that!
camimom
New Member
i dont think im going to give up on him yet. the vet doesnt need to know a ton although when i took her we discuussed wether it was an ednema to she was just really fat. she might be both
How much and with what wree you supplementing before?
okiroo
Avid Member
cal wi/o d3 everyother feeding on a single criket. im giveing her less than b4 now. im putting a little on the crikets feet.
