Why only certain cross breeds?

[Chris Anderson]

I dont breed or cross panthers but it should be done and responsibly if possible.

No, it should be done responsibly or not at all, as should any breeding practices.

Chris

 

[Chris Jury]

I think the germans said that once about the human race.

Two things: 1) this is such a stretch of logic I'm not sure I can even follow it, and I'm Jewish; 2) seriously, has no one heard of Godwin's Law?

 

[NWD]

My cross

My panther cross has Ambanja sambava and nosy be he is awesome blue with red Around his eyes and spikes looks like he has a Mohawk. Crosses are awesome and lying about the females is just bad but it's not the crosses fault. You should ask exactly where the panthers came from anyway, both parents.

 

[fluxlizard]

LOL the undead thread!

I'm on the fence on this one-

crossing to me is not a big deal. Captive panthers are artificial by definition. Exceptional individuals of a particular local are in greater demand than normal examples. And if we look at the rest of the herpetocultural world, there are lots of accepted crosses and artificial color and pattern variations.

On the other hand, after looking at all the crosses I really don't see the benefit. There are "pure" but exceptional examples of locales that look about like any of the crosses that I have seen.

And the locale of my choice- ambilobe has lots of variation within it anyway, so I can get plenty of variety from a single locale.

 

[whatnowcustoms]

ok as my 1st post here is my 2 cents on the subject. now i may be new to here but i am certainly not new to reptiles. i've been a zookeeper on and off for the past 14 years now and have kept and bred many species of reptiles and amphibians over the years. Now i have just recently decided that i'm going to get a pair of chameleons in the near future. Now i'm new to the local aspect of them but not the husbandry side of keeping them. The past few years i have mainly worked with green tree pythons which now come in some amazing color varations because of crossing locals. Some keepers like to keep their local lines pure because they like those locals or want to keep lines pure to one local. Now I've seen the cross local arguement come up in dart frogs, snakes,ect. My one problem with keeping pure locals is this. say a limited number of one local is imported unless strict genetic records are kept to keep the most gentic diversity within captive population like a studbook keeper would do for any animal in a species survival program, within a few generations without some new genes added to the gene pool all thouse pure lines will start being inbred causing health problems and more problems down the line for the longevity of the specific local. As i said i have been dealing with green tree pythons lately which is basicly a guessing game when their born to know which one will look the best once they go through their color change. I have my eye on a female for sale now that i like the sire to but do not see any males from him available so i want to get her and then find a male that i would think would be a suitable sire to breed her with reguardless if its the same local or not, but if i do breed them i will also keep as much genetic backgound info on both parents to show any potential buyer who the sire/dam are their parents and as far back of a genetic tree with pics like we do with the green tree pythons. again this is just my opinion on the topic from my personal experience