Im worried about my chameleon, I know he had MBD from when I purchased him at the pet store but recently ive noticed he has been grabbing his face alot. He also has been closing his eyes a lot during the day, they look like they bulge, and then sink in. His humidity is always between 40-80% His basking spot is at 90 and the rest of his tank is between 70-80. Im not sure what I can do to help this little guy he is only 7 to 8 months old
worried about my veiled chameleon
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ChameleonMom
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How is he being hydrated, fed and supplemented? You need to fill out this: https://www.chameleonforums.com/how-ask-help-66/
I'm willing to bet he has advanced MBD and isn't receiving the care he requires to help him. Please fill this out and we'll see how to help.
I'm willing to bet he has advanced MBD and isn't receiving the care he requires to help him. Please fill this out and we'll see how to help.
My Chameleon - veiled 6-7 months, male
Handling - only when he feels like crawling onto my hand, but very dosile
Feeding - mostly gutloaded crickets 12-15 daily, leafy greens, carrots, kale, squash
Supplements - exo-terra multi vit (2x monthly) exo-terra cal+d3 (1 time a week) calciaum everyday, vit A once a week
Watering - self dripper constant, misting 3 times a day
Fecal Description - solid brown and white
History - found him at a pet store
Cage Info:
Cage Type- 18x18x36 nylon mesh
Lighting - 1 18inch zilla 5.0 UVB, 50 watt zoo med basking lamp, all timed 12on\off
Temperature - 65 bottom of cage, 90 under the basking lamp, night temp drops to 72
Humidity - 50-60% controlled my a humidifier that is also timed to monitor and contol consistant humidity. all temp and humidity are monitored my 2 dig therms and 2 dig hydroms
Plants - fake plants as well as, ficus,pothos and a jade plant
Placement - living room, no vents or drafts, very low traffic. hung three feet from ceiling
Location - Edmonton Alberta
Concern- very shaky and uncertain, sometimes grabs his face while climbing. i believe he had MBD do to the lack of care provided at the pet store
HERE ARE SOME PICS
he doesn't like the carmera
Handling - only when he feels like crawling onto my hand, but very dosile
Feeding - mostly gutloaded crickets 12-15 daily, leafy greens, carrots, kale, squash
Supplements - exo-terra multi vit (2x monthly) exo-terra cal+d3 (1 time a week) calciaum everyday, vit A once a week
Watering - self dripper constant, misting 3 times a day
Fecal Description - solid brown and white
History - found him at a pet store
Cage Info:
Cage Type- 18x18x36 nylon mesh
Lighting - 1 18inch zilla 5.0 UVB, 50 watt zoo med basking lamp, all timed 12on\off
Temperature - 65 bottom of cage, 90 under the basking lamp, night temp drops to 72
Humidity - 50-60% controlled my a humidifier that is also timed to monitor and contol consistant humidity. all temp and humidity are monitored my 2 dig therms and 2 dig hydroms
Plants - fake plants as well as, ficus,pothos and a jade plant
Placement - living room, no vents or drafts, very low traffic. hung three feet from ceiling
Location - Edmonton Alberta
Concern- very shaky and uncertain, sometimes grabs his face while climbing. i believe he had MBD do to the lack of care provided at the pet store
HERE ARE SOME PICS
he doesn't like the carmera
jannb
Chameleon Enthusiast
Welcome to the forums. Your little guys arms are curved so he does or did have MBD. He might need some liquid calcium. Do you have a good chameleon vet? I would recommend cutting back on the D3 to twice a month and the vitamin A to once a month. What kind of vitamin A are you using? If you use Reptivite without d3 it has A in it so when you dust with that twice a month he's also getting some A. Also lightly dust your feeders and dont make them look like ghost. A larger variety and gut load would be good. I'm not sure about the Zilla light. In the past they were causing eye problems. Most here use the Reptisun 5.0.
I know he does. thats why we took him from the pet store. no experienced vet though... been searching. i will do as follows as per supplementation. the last 2 days he has slowed his eating habits considerably. and tends to have one eye closed during the day. ive ditched the zilla light and am getting and 18inch repti sun 5.0 as we speak. im hopeful that this helps.
. no experienced vet though... been searching. i will do as follows as per supplementation. the last 2 days he has slowed his eating habits considerably. and tends to have one eye closed during the day. ive ditched the zilla light and am getting and 18inch repti sun 5.0 as we speak. im hopeful that this helps.ok Unfortunately the pet store in the area only carried the repti glo 5.0. 24 inch will this bulb be ok? i also bought a new calcium water conditioner. is this what you meant by liquid calcium? i have added 2 drops per fluid oz of water and have given it to him orally with a syringe. hes eyes / one eye are still closed. and have been for on and off for the last 2 days. anyone?
kk, Yea i think one contains Calcium, Chloride, Calcium lactate. its for his h2o, just maybe give him a lil boost when hes not eating. I will acquire calcium gluconate tomorrow
thanks so much
It sounds like the balance of calcium to the phos, D3 and vitamin A may still not have been corrected.
I'm on my playbook so I don't want to looking up...whats in the vitamin powder and other supplements you are using in the way of vitamin A, D3, phos, and calcium? Please be specific...name the exact ingredients please.
What specific leafy greens do you use?
I'm on my playbook so I don't want to looking up...whats in the vitamin powder and other supplements you are using in the way of vitamin A, D3, phos, and calcium? Please be specific...name the exact ingredients please.
What specific leafy greens do you use?
He will be off to the vet tomorrow afternoon
supplements:
1. zoo med repti calcium-
moisture 1%
Calcium (min)- 38%- 380,000mg per kg
Calcium (max)- 43% 430,000mg per kg
Vitamin D3- 0% 0.0 IU
2 exo terra Calcuim + D3-
Ingredients:
Calcium carbonate, oyster shell flour, dextrose, Vitamin D3 supplement.
Guaranteed Analysis:
Moisture (max) 12.0%
Calcium (min) 35.0%
Calcium (max) 37.0%
Vitamin D3 14,740 IU/lb
EU
Ingredients:
Calcium carbonate (35%), ground oyster shells, salt.
Contains EU permitted additives.
EU Typical Analysis:
Calcium 35%, Vitamin D3 65 mg/kg.
3 exo terra Multi vit-
Dried seaweed meal, dried yeast, oyster shell flour, dextrose, beta-carotene, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), biotin, inositol, choline chloride, salt, calcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, potassium chloride, manganese oxide, ferrous fumarate, calcium sulfate, manganous oxide, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, potassium iodate.
Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein (min) 14.0% Copper 2.5 ppm
Crude Fat (min) 1.2% Zinc 6.5 ppm
Crude Fiber (max) 8.0% Iodine 0.75 ppm
Moisture (max) 12.0% Manganese 6.5 ppm
Ash (max) 9.0% Choline 81.44 mg/lb
Calcium (min) 4.4% Menadione 0.907 mg/lb
Calcium (max) 4.6% Biotin 0.004 mg/lb
Salt (max) 0.00275% Inositol 4.989 mg/lb
Potassium (min) 0.0033% Beta Carotene 4.082 mg/lb
Sulfur (min) 0.011% Vitamin D3 9,979 IU/lb
Magnesium 2 ppm Vitamin E 45.3 IU/lb
Iron 77 ppm
EU
Ingredients:
Dried seaweed, dried yeast, ground oyster shell, dextrose, salt, calcium carbonate.
Contains EU permitted additives.
EU Typical Analysis:
Protein 20%, Oils and Fats 1,2%, Fibre 4%, Ash 9%, Copper (as copper sulphate) 2,5mg/kg.
EU Vitamin Statement:
Vitamin A 90,000 mcg, Vitamin D3 22,000 IU/kg, Vitamin E 100mg/kg.
4 repashy vit A plus-
Calcium Carbonate, fructose powder, cellulose powder, chlorella algea, spirulina algea, calcium propinate, retinyl acetate, rosemary and mixed tocopherols. guarenteed analysis: vit A 2,000,000 IU/LB
5 exo terra liquid calcuim water conditioner-
Calcium
PT1971 100 ml 3.3 fl oz
supplements:
1. zoo med repti calcium-
moisture 1%
Calcium (min)- 38%- 380,000mg per kg
Calcium (max)- 43% 430,000mg per kg
Vitamin D3- 0% 0.0 IU
2 exo terra Calcuim + D3-
Ingredients:
Calcium carbonate, oyster shell flour, dextrose, Vitamin D3 supplement.
Guaranteed Analysis:
Moisture (max) 12.0%
Calcium (min) 35.0%
Calcium (max) 37.0%
Vitamin D3 14,740 IU/lb
EU
Ingredients:
Calcium carbonate (35%), ground oyster shells, salt.
Contains EU permitted additives.
EU Typical Analysis:
Calcium 35%, Vitamin D3 65 mg/kg.
3 exo terra Multi vit-
Dried seaweed meal, dried yeast, oyster shell flour, dextrose, beta-carotene, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), biotin, inositol, choline chloride, salt, calcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, potassium chloride, manganese oxide, ferrous fumarate, calcium sulfate, manganous oxide, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, potassium iodate.
Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein (min) 14.0% Copper 2.5 ppm
Crude Fat (min) 1.2% Zinc 6.5 ppm
Crude Fiber (max) 8.0% Iodine 0.75 ppm
Moisture (max) 12.0% Manganese 6.5 ppm
Ash (max) 9.0% Choline 81.44 mg/lb
Calcium (min) 4.4% Menadione 0.907 mg/lb
Calcium (max) 4.6% Biotin 0.004 mg/lb
Salt (max) 0.00275% Inositol 4.989 mg/lb
Potassium (min) 0.0033% Beta Carotene 4.082 mg/lb
Sulfur (min) 0.011% Vitamin D3 9,979 IU/lb
Magnesium 2 ppm Vitamin E 45.3 IU/lb
Iron 77 ppm
EU
Ingredients:
Dried seaweed, dried yeast, ground oyster shell, dextrose, salt, calcium carbonate.
Contains EU permitted additives.
EU Typical Analysis:
Protein 20%, Oils and Fats 1,2%, Fibre 4%, Ash 9%, Copper (as copper sulphate) 2,5mg/kg.
EU Vitamin Statement:
Vitamin A 90,000 mcg, Vitamin D3 22,000 IU/kg, Vitamin E 100mg/kg.
4 repashy vit A plus-
Calcium Carbonate, fructose powder, cellulose powder, chlorella algea, spirulina algea, calcium propinate, retinyl acetate, rosemary and mixed tocopherols. guarenteed analysis: vit A 2,000,000 IU/LB
5 exo terra liquid calcuim water conditioner-
Calcium
PT1971 100 ml 3.3 fl oz
