A very sleepy Veiled

meihartmann

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Hello all, first inquiry here. Ive been using the forum for research purposes and it's been very helpful, so I have decided to make an account to join in the fun.

Unfortunately my scenario is not fun, I have a very sleepy veiled chameleon named Kirk.


Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon: Hes a Veiled Chameleon, Male, and about 9-10 months of age.
Handling: Every other day he comes out and sits on his pothos for a while.
Feeding: Crickets every other day, 5-7. Mealworms 4-5 every other day. They are gut loaded with mostly vegetables and sometimes fruit.
Supplements: Occasionally dusted but not as often as they should be.
Watering: The habitat is misted with a monsoon mister, 10 seconds every 4 hours keeps the enclosure right where it needs to be.
Fecal Description: White and brown, typical colour. Not watery or discoloured. From my knowledge he has not been tested before.
History: When I worked at my previous job Kirk had been bought from my shop and then returned a week later for a skin issue. What it was, I don't recall. A vet had taken a look at him, cleared him several weeks later, and then almost two weeks later returned for a heat blister he had received because of bad care. So there went another month of looking after him. Other than that, he has had no pre existing issues.

Cage Info:
Cage Type: The cage unfortunately is glass, a 25T ment for aquatics.
Lighting: Dual Mini combo dome. 100w basking, and 120w UVB Daily lighting schedule is 12hrs, basking 24/7
Temperature: 75-85F Measured with electronic digital thermometer and analog dials.
Humidity : 50-70% Maintained with Monsoon Mister, measured with analog dials.
Plants: 2 live plants, small potted ficus and Pothos which is not in the tank. Plastic mandarin leaves, several of them located on the walls to help with dripping water and to keep him from seeing through the glass.
Placement: Cage is secluded with little to no traffic.
Location : Camano Island Washington

Current Problem

My issue is that he has been sleeping for the past 4 days and eating little to nothing, nothing has changed in his habitat other than its likely a little bit colder now with the rainy season and Winter. When I hold him and bring him out of the cage he does have a grip on my hands and tangles his tail around my fingers, he is not fatigued or weak in any sense of the word. Even when I tilt him he seems to have a grasping of his surroundings, so there is no vertigo there. He just seems to get comfortable and fall asleep on my hands once he figures out whats going on.

I do realize he needs a screen enclosure, that will be happening very soon and I haven't forgotten about it.
Despite having worked at a pet shop for a while, I can say that my knowledge there was very limited and even though it gave me every day petcare for most young/baby animals, it did not grant me much information for afterwards.
Do reptiles/chameleons go into a strange type of hibernation routine this time of the year? Or is this something I should be concerned about?

Thanks for reading, hope someone has some information for me~

Mei, Star Lord, & Kirk
 
IMHO its really important that you dust properly. Don't know if that has anything to do with his sleeping or not.

Since most feeder insects have a poor ratio of calcium to phosphorous we recommend that you dust at most feedings with a phosphorous - free calcium powder before feeding the insects to the chameleon to help balance it.

It's recommended that you dust twice a month with a phosphorous - free calcium D3 powder to ensure that the chameleon gets some D3 without overdosing it and leaving the chameleon to produce the rest of the D3 from its exposure to the UVB.

It's recommended that you dust twice a month with a vitamin powder that contains a beta carotene (prOformed) source of vitamin A. PrOformed sources of vitamin A cannot build up in the system and lead to overdoses like prEformed sources can. This leaves it up to you to decide whether the chameleon needs prEformed or not.

How long have you had him? How long has he had that UVB light?
 
IMHO its really important that you dust properly. Don't know if that has anything to do with his sleeping or not.

Since most feeder insects have a poor ratio of calcium to phosphorous we recommend that you dust at most feedings with a phosphorous - free calcium powder before feeding the insects to the chameleon to help balance it.

It's recommended that you dust twice a month with a phosphorous - free calcium D3 powder to ensure that the chameleon gets some D3 without overdosing it and leaving the chameleon to produce the rest of the D3 from its exposure to the UVB.

It's recommended that you dust twice a month with a vitamin powder that contains a beta carotene (prOformed) source of vitamin A. PrOformed sources of vitamin A cannot build up in the system and lead to overdoses like prEformed sources can. This leaves it up to you to decide whether the chameleon needs prEformed or not.

How long have you had him? How long has he had that UVB light?

Thanks for the quick reply.
I have bought some calcium powder today, and hopefully with the use of it, that issue will be solved.

I've had him for as long as I have been taking care of him 7 or so months now, the UVB light has not changed since, it's working well as far as I can tell, unless I need a different wattage?
 
My question about the light was in case it had been changed just before he started sleeping during the day and was the reason for this.
 
My question about the light was in case it had been changed just before he started sleeping during the day and was the reason for this.

Ah I see. Well my answer remains the same. I've had him for as long as I've been taking care of him, so the majority of his lifespan excluding about two or so months. His UVB has always been the same.
:)
 
Always have to leave no stone unturned when it comes to figuring out what's going on with a chameleon. :)

There's no water left standing on the floor of the cage is there?

With the skin issue and burns were there any open wounds?
 
Always have to leave no stone unturned when it comes to figuring out what's going on with a chameleon. :)

There's no water left standing on the floor of the cage is there?

With the skin issue and burns were there any open wounds?


I understand :)

There is no standing water in the cage no.
And the wounds were treated by a vet and excused several months ago when I still worked at a pet shop, its been a while since then. He looks incredibly healthy, not malnourished or any skin discoloration, just very tired.
 
My concern with the skin issue and burns being open is that if they were and he wasn't treated with an antibiotic there could,dandelion be bacteria involved causing him to be sick. If it was CANV and the vet didn't use an oral antifungal it could have gone internal.
 
My concern with the skin issue and burns being open is that if they were and he wasn't treated with an antibiotic there could,dandelion be bacteria involved causing him to be sick. If it was CANV and the vet didn't use an oral antifungal it could have gone internal.

Kirk was treated within/before 2 months of age and he was excused by the vet never showing signs after. So I'm more than positive this has nothing to do with his current sleepiness.
 
If you've had the UVB 7 months or so, it could need changing. Also I see your basking light is on 24/7. Chameleons need complete dark to sleep properly. This could be contributing to him being sleepy.
Kath.
 
Hi and welcome to the forums! I am sorry you are having issues with your chameleon. The answer to your question is no, they do not hibernate, so if your chameleon is sleeping during the day(they only sleep at night) there is something wrong with him. You cannot leave your basking light on 24/7. That light should be turned on off just like your uvb light. I use the sun up, sun down method. Make it as close to their natural habitat as possible. Just because a uvb is working and shining, does not mean it is any good. They lose their effectiveness over time and if you had a uvb meter you might be surprised to see that after 7 months it is putting out very little uvb or none at all. I would change that right away. A picture of your enclosure and of your chameleon is also helpful for us to see also. Parasites are always a possibility when a chameleon loses its appetite and sleeps. If it is possible to get a fecal(I know he is not eating) in the future, I would take a fresh sample to your vet and have it tested just to rule that out.
 
Thanks for the reply Kath44 & Carol5208,

I will most certainly purchase a new uvb straight away. As far as his basking light, is purchasing a blue one out of the question? If I take away his heat over night it will be far too cold for him.
If that is the case though, I may just have to relocate him.

As for getting a fecal test done, I will most certainly contact a vet and have that tested.

Thanks for your help :)
 
Chameleons are able to sense even small amounts of light and so the blue bulb at night is not advised. Veileds can take a night drop down to about 55-60 F at night so unless the room gets colder than that at night you do not need a heat source at all. If it gets lower than that you have a couple of options. 1. A ceramic bulb which emits heat but no light or 2. a space heater for the room at night.

My guess would be having a light on 24/7 could be contributing to your current problem.
 
Chameleons are able to sense even small amounts of light and so the blue bulb at night is not advised. Veileds can take a night drop down to about 55-60 F at night so unless the room gets colder than that at night you do not need a heat source at all. If it gets lower than that you have a couple of options. 1. A ceramic bulb which emits heat but no light or 2. a space heater for the room at night.

My guess would be having a light on 24/7 could be contributing to your current problem.

Ah alright, thank you for letting me know.

Both options are definitely doable. And my house sometimes gets quite cold, so I worry though the heat may be on, it may not be satisfactory.

Thanks again.
 
Picasso is not feeling good

Veiled chameleon I have had him since July and he has been happy. He is in a 4 ft mesh cage. He has correct heating and lighting and has humidity and drip. Urate is right color so I know he is hydrated. He is a really active Lil guy it is starting to get cold in the night so due to small Draft I had to move him away from windows which I did 2 days ago. I don't know if the stress of moving is what happened or something else. I am at work during the day so don't know if he has ever slept. But I watch him and on weekends he doesn't during day.I believe I know him well enough to say something is wrong. Could he just be stressed he is not his bright happy active self. He is still in same room just away from windows now.
 
Ah alright, thank you for letting me know.

Both options are definitely doable. And my house sometimes gets quite cold, so I worry though the heat may be on, it may not be satisfactory.

Thanks again.

Just remember that what feels cold to YOU, a mammal with normal body temp 98.6 F, a 55 degree room will feel very cold. To a cham who needs a nighttime temp drop to rest it isn't. Their body temp can fluctuate on a daily basis without harm. As long as his cage provides the correct warmth each morning so he can bask properly he should be fine. If the room is drafty that might make a difference. If you really think the room is going to get unusually cold you could always wrap the cage in a large towel or light blanket to slow down the cooling at night.
 
Just remember that what feels cold to YOU, a mammal with normal body temp 98.6 F, a 55 degree room will feel very cold. To a cham who needs a nighttime temp drop to rest it isn't. Their body temp can fluctuate on a daily basis without harm. As long as his cage provides the correct warmth each morning so he can bask properly he should be fine. If the room is drafty that might make a difference. If you really think the room is going to get unusually cold you could always wrap the cage in a large towel or light blanket to slow down the cooling at night.


So I've now updated his heating to a 100w ceramic and a new tropical UVB.
The ceramic has been turned off for the night and I've moved him to a room that should not drop below 60. He still seems very sleepy and I noticed that his skin colour is a bit off (maybe thats me?), I have attached a photo.

I feel terrible that I've allowed it to get like this. Other than contacting a vet for a fecal test, is there anything else I can be doing other than regulating a more natural light/heat cycle and supplementing his food more often?

(P.S The dark mark by his neck was a blister that a vet had to take care of from a previous ownership.)

Thanks so much for the help everyone~
 

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