Cleas 1st fertile breeding!
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GooglezNvincent
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LOL! YOU PEOPLE ARE CRAZY! 
Good Luck Stefan! dont take things too personally on this forum, sometimes the way people type things isnt the way you read them. Also what is dont is done, you have very knowledgible people by your side. You can do it, people just need to have faith in you like jan and your dad. Like Dan said, ALWAYS LEARN, take the good and bad and keep learning, we all are constantly learning. Again, Congratulation and Good Luck
-Trevor
Good Luck Stefan! dont take things too personally on this forum, sometimes the way people type things isnt the way you read them. Also what is dont is done, you have very knowledgible people by your side. You can do it, people just need to have faith in you like jan and your dad. Like Dan said, ALWAYS LEARN, take the good and bad and keep learning, we all are constantly learning. Again, Congratulation and Good Luck -Trevor
Lizardlover
New Member
Don't take this the wrong way but someone who's dad couldn't or wouldn't buy him proper uvb lighting doesn't sound like someone ready to raise a clutch of veilds, whats done is done lets hope he can pull it off.
CleaTheChameleon
New Member
The thing is guys for her age i really dont think she was one month when i got her. The pet store i got her from said 1 month but when i went to BocaJans house her 2 month old babies were smaller then clea was when i got her. Do you think she may have been 3 months when i got her? I know i should have paid more attention to this but i didnt know. I am never going back there. Clea was about the same size as Naomis male.
I really appreciate all your guys beliefs and me and i can assure you im not popping any eggs.
Danny- im sorry i came off on you bad idk what was going on in my head. I appreciate what you said and it has come to me tp think about some things.
P.S. When female veiled are gravid what should be their food intake?
I have her eat every other day. Should this continue
I really appreciate all your guys beliefs and me and i can assure you im not popping any eggs.
Danny- im sorry i came off on you bad idk what was going on in my head. I appreciate what you said and it has come to me tp think about some things.
P.S. When female veiled are gravid what should be their food intake?
I have her eat every other day. Should this continue
bradley
New Member
I feed my veiled once a day i feed maybe 5-10 feeders on one day like crickets and locusts dusted then on the other day i feed 5 feeders like roaches and worms which arnt dusted. I am only 12 and i have 61 eggs incubating that are three months and my female is laying her second of a double clutch as i type. I have many people already wanting to take mine and already have money saved to buy everything. I think if you don't try it then you will never know what it is like lets hope clea has a smaller clutch than mine also make sure she drinks alot
Good luck
Brad
Good luck
Brad
CleaTheChameleon
New Member
Thank you Bradley
Jakeo1 i would never do that
Jakeo1 i would never do that
jamncristian
Established Member
wow congratulations and good luck
I think you will do fine with the help of all these forum members
(thank god for the chameleon forums)
I never owned a cham but i have been planning on it for almost 3 years and i have read alot and might not be as experienced as you or any body on this forums but i am willing to shed some helpful info
one thing is when those babies hatch you will need a steady supply of feeders and that can get expensive
I recommend breeding phoenix worms (aka black soldier fly larvae)
they are very high in calcium, full of nutrition, a perfect size for baby chams or juveniles and can be very easy to start a colony
http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/
though its going to cost you in the beginning it will pay off from not having to buy a GAZILLION PIN HEAD CRICKETS and they wont be able to bite those precious babies
the colony should be up and running by the time those eggs hatch
since you live in Florida, please give clea some natural sunlight in the shade like under a tree because direct sunlight can over heat a cham pretty quickly
and order her some butterworms because those eggs are going to take ALOT of calcium out of her and a naturally high calcium feeder is way than dusted crickets
and be very thankful for everybody willing to help you out. You have very good friends
maybe by the time they are ready to go ill be ready too and ill probably take one of them home
p.s. keep me posted on how clea and her babies are doing if you can
I think you will do fine with the help of all these forum members
(thank god for the chameleon forums)
I never owned a cham but i have been planning on it for almost 3 years and i have read alot and might not be as experienced as you or any body on this forums but i am willing to shed some helpful info
one thing is when those babies hatch you will need a steady supply of feeders and that can get expensive
I recommend breeding phoenix worms (aka black soldier fly larvae)
they are very high in calcium, full of nutrition, a perfect size for baby chams or juveniles and can be very easy to start a colony
http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/
though its going to cost you in the beginning it will pay off from not having to buy a GAZILLION PIN HEAD CRICKETS and they wont be able to bite those precious babies
the colony should be up and running by the time those eggs hatch
since you live in Florida, please give clea some natural sunlight in the shade like under a tree because direct sunlight can over heat a cham pretty quickly
and order her some butterworms because those eggs are going to take ALOT of calcium out of her and a naturally high calcium feeder is way than dusted crickets
and be very thankful for everybody willing to help you out. You have very good friends
maybe by the time they are ready to go ill be ready too and ill probably take one of them home
p.s. keep me posted on how clea and her babies are doing if you can
warpdrive
Avid Member
Stefan,
I think that many people are giving you some less then kind remarks is not that she is just young or maybe slightly older then you might think...
but that she just layed an infertal clutch of eggs not too long ago and you haven't given her time to realy recoup from it.
now, almost everything you feed her will be going toward egg deveopment instead of her regaing her streignth.
I'm not trying to say what you did was wrong, just that there are a few here that would do things differently...and with good reason.
the good news is that she does look quite healthy and you seem to be doing a fantastic job with her.
I have no dought in you doing a great job with the babys and I hope you keep sharing this story it all it's parts with us.
Harry
I think that many people are giving you some less then kind remarks is not that she is just young or maybe slightly older then you might think...
but that she just layed an infertal clutch of eggs not too long ago and you haven't given her time to realy recoup from it.
now, almost everything you feed her will be going toward egg deveopment instead of her regaing her streignth.
I'm not trying to say what you did was wrong, just that there are a few here that would do things differently...and with good reason.
the good news is that she does look quite healthy and you seem to be doing a fantastic job with her.
I have no dought in you doing a great job with the babys and I hope you keep sharing this story it all it's parts with us.
Harry
jamncristian
Established Member
wow i did not think of that
since that is another problem get a hold of some silkworms or phoenix worms (if she will eat them) because their of their high protein and calcium levels will help rebuild her strength and bones
Lizardlover
New Member
Too late now dude! Shouldve thought it through before hand, I understand its a learning experience yadayada but I still think a little more research shouldve been done, your playing with little (delicate) lives here!
Lizardlover
New Member
https://www.chameleonforums.com/feeders-cheap-25016/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/gift-cards-mulberry-anywhere-25321/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/silkworms-needed-23517/
Here are some posts that lead me to believe you are not ready and dont have the necessary finance/support, this will be 1000+ dollars and being that your dad pays for everything is he going to cover all this, lets also not forget how long clea had to stay in her baby enclosure, and how you had to have an extremely nice person buy you a linear bulb all thanks to your supportive father.
Whats done is done but it was not a good decision you made and people on here condoning it are just wrong, sorry.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/i-may-quit-forums-27044/ <--- lets not forget this one
https://www.chameleonforums.com/gift-cards-mulberry-anywhere-25321/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/silkworms-needed-23517/
Here are some posts that lead me to believe you are not ready and dont have the necessary finance/support, this will be 1000+ dollars and being that your dad pays for everything is he going to cover all this, lets also not forget how long clea had to stay in her baby enclosure, and how you had to have an extremely nice person buy you a linear bulb all thanks to your supportive father.
Whats done is done but it was not a good decision you made and people on here condoning it are just wrong, sorry.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/i-may-quit-forums-27044/ <--- lets not forget this one
nightcrawler
Avid Member
I think if you don't want to pop them, then you should start figuring out how many people want a baby, and how many you WILL be able to care for fully. If you can't care for all of the babies then you should give them away to people right away. Give some of the eggs away or some of the babies once they hatch to local people. Neglect of the new born chams is not something that you can pass off anymore, you planned for this to happen so you should be well prepared now, not when they hatch. There is nothing wrong with popping the eggs. I don't no why people get so defensive when that subject comes up. Its better to take care of 10 chams 100% then 30 70%. There is no shame in popping them because you know you will not be able to handle them. I truly don't believe anyone knows how much work they really are until you raised them yourself.
jamncristian
Established Member
i agree on what night crawler said about giving away some of the eggs because there are more capable people out there who can take care of them and if you dont want to lose money charge $10 an egg
it will make caring for the others a lot easier on you and your dad's wallet
i don't agree with popping the eggs though
it will make caring for the others a lot easier on you and your dad's wallet
i don't agree with popping the eggs though
pssh
Avid Member
I think a lot of people are assuming things about his father and their money, perhaps we should wait to see what he says about it. I'm sure if he was being the responsible boy he should be he has already shown his father the pros and cons of raising babies, how much the lights/tubs/plantswould cost, the possible amount of babies, the price of food, and probably not making any money off them. Not to mention the killer electricity bill
Pure
New Member
Well from a strictly financial point of view, popping the eggs, will kill off an unknown number of males. Only a small percentage of people want females. If the batch is more than he can handle, then wait until they are born and cull 2/3rds of the females. This is just financially smarter.
pssh
Avid Member
I suppose that is smarter, but most people would have a harder time killing a baby than an egg. But if he wasn't financially prepared he wouldn't/shouldn't have had mated her anyways. I hope he had told his father of all the expenses, I know if I hadn't and then I told her that babies would cost x amount of money and she wasn't prepared, she'd make me look for people who wanted the eggs then we'd probably cull most of the remaining eggs and keep as many as she believed she could afford. My mom is totally against killing things like that, but what needs to be done needs to be done.
