Coccidia... Help and cleaning advice. Please..

Ok wonderful thank you! I will wash everything with soap that I havent already and then wipe everything with alcohol today. Cabinet doors, tables, light switches, my camera, my computer keyboard. Everything.... I am washing with soap each morning his tray. then using the disinfectant on it. I will do the peroxide when I get that. So far he has not had a stool since his treatment started. My hands are dry and sore I am washing and using sanitizer so much.

I get out all feeders before going to either of them. I am feeding and cleaning Beman first. Then moving on to Bahari. I am not handling Beman at all. It is causing him stress, he is used to going outside with me at least 4 times a week. But I am too scared that I may expose him.

I have tossed the exposed plants and possible exposure to all the branches and free range. Including the plants that were on that. I am not wanting to risk keeping stuff that could have it on it.

I gave him his meds this morning in the hornworm. He took it finally after about 15 minutes. But he has not gone after any of the dubia. He still looks hydrated. All he has in the cage are the branches and I had to put in a few plastic plants for him up high where he would not poop on them. But he was super stressed the first day after removing his huge pothos. I felt so bad for him so I figured that the peroxide would work on the plastic plants as well.

I am trying to focus on the positive now.. I can do this and it will be ok. I am keeping my fingers crossed that with the little exposure to Beman and me catching this quickly will keep Beman safe. I really do not want to have to go through this with Beman.

I think Bahari will pull through this... He still seems ok. Not as weak as the chams I have seen on deaths door here in the forum. He just looks at me with his little eyes and I tell him he will be fine. I know he can't hear me or understand that I care. But it makes me feel better.
 
He will be ok, he is in good hands! Speaking of hands, mine get dry too from soap... maybe get a box of sterile gloves while you are going through this? There’s a process to removing them so you dont transfer germs, but its easy to do and will help your poor hands. Definitely wear gloves while using the peroxide!

And eye protection!! I got carb cleaner in my eye last week and HOLY MOTHER OF GOD IT BURNS.
 
It’s definitely good that your taking everything the extra mile! Like I said in my other post try not to OVERTHINK anything and stress yourself out, as long as you keep doing what your doing you will get through this! Everyone on here has given awesome support and advice for you and what your chameleons are going through. Everybody that has helped Becca on this give yourselves a pat on the back (y)
 
Does anyone know if these are capable of being transmitted to a dog or a rat or humans? The specific type the fecal came back with is Coccidia Isospora sp. Oocysts...
I thought it would be Reptile only but my mom just asked me and I have no idea.
 
Finally got him to eat a second dubia... took a total of 6 hours to get him to eat a hornworm and 2 dubia. He does not want to cup feed or hand feed so having the feeders crawling on the branches makes me nervous. Any ideas on how else to get him to eat without putting them on the branches that he poops on?
 
snitz427 said:
A diy feeder run? It can be santized with the rest of the cage, but at least you know the bugs are available and contained.
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I tried that.. He won't eat from it. He sees them there but will not take them. I do not know if it is because he was only free fed or if it is because he is sick. I just worry that with him only being willing to eat them from the branches that there is higher risk for reinfection...
 
I have not read all the comments, and I do apologize if I have repeated any above information. I have dealt with coccidia twice with different wild caught chameleons.
I have used ponazural.
Cages- no real plants. If you have them - toss them.
This is how we did treatment and cages.
Basic needs in the cages.. plastic plants... one one or two at the most. Minimum branches. Complete treatment of ponazrual. Once treatment is done remove everything from the cage. Either boil the plastic plants or branches or better yet toss them. F10 the whole cage- soap and water - then we used a hand steamer to the whole cage. Bottom of cage - used dog pee pads and change daily. Feed from a cup, so feeders are not walking in the poop and such. Use a new cup each feeding... we use the deli cups.
Redo the cage again- once time has past - test the chameleon again. We would do this process until we got three clean fecals.
Use gloves to clean the cage, do not use the same gloves to clean any other cages.
It’s best if any infected chameleons to be placed in a separate location..... if possible.
This maybe overdoing it, but it has worked for us.
Hope this helps.
 
BECHARD4 said:
I have not read all the comments, and I do apologize if I have repeated any above information. I have dealt with coccidia twice with different wild caught chameleons.
I have used ponazural.
Cages- no real plants. If you have them - toss them.
This is how we did treatment and cages.
Basic needs in the cages.. plastic plants... one one or two at the most. Minimum branches. Complete treatment of ponazrual. Once treatment is done remove everything from the cage. Either boil the plastic plants or branches or better yet toss them. F10 the whole cage- soap and water - then we used a hand steamer to the whole cage. Bottom of cage - used dog pee pads and change daily. Feed from a cup, so feeders are not walking in the poop and such. Use a new cup each feeding... we use the deli cups.
Redo the cage again- once time has past - test the chameleon again. We would do this process until we got three clean fecals.
Use gloves to clean the cage, do not use the same gloves to clean any other cages.
It’s best if any infected chameleons to be placed in a separate location..... if possible.
This maybe overdoing it, but it has worked for us.
Hope this helps.
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Hi there thank you! I am doing a lot of what you have said to do. May I ask you a few additional questions?
The fecal came back with over 30 oocysts. The Vet said this was a lot. I have no idea. But she is treating him with 2 doses of the ponazural 48 hours a part then doing it again in two weeks. Do you think this is right? Today I completed the second dose of the first round of treatment. Also she is doing a fecal on him in 4 weeks and then two weeks after. Would that be correct? So the final fecal would be 4 weeks after the second round of treatment.

There is also the concern with my cham I had prior to getting this one. He had a clean fecal a month ago at his 1 year check up. She said that I need to wait 2 more weeks to get a real idea if he was contaminated. This would give a full month for the oocysts to show in the fecal. She said if it came back clear then he should be good but I worry a lot. So does this sound right to you?

You do all of the process until you get 3 clean fecals.. How far apart do you run the fecals?

Also I am unable to cup feed my new boy. He shows no interest in the cup. He will only eat if they are crawling on the branches.. Even then he is not eating much. Only 2-3 feeders at most every other day. I don't know if I should continue to let him eat off the branches or put them in the cup and hope he goes for them if he gets hungry enough. I have been trying to make sure he continues to eat so I have been letting him eat off the branches but I know this is more of a risk for contamination continuing.
 
CamoChameleonsHuman said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong but do not all chameleons have parasites at all times but they are in manageable levels where the immune system of the chameleon take care of it? And that things like stress from shipping and/or new environment can trigger the immune system to drop causing the parasites to become out of control?

Becca please know we are all here for you and your chams! We love all of you and we will do anything to help you here in this moment. Don't lose hope! You're a fighter and so are your chameleons I know you will all get through this. Thoughts, prayers, and mad love coming your way!!!
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Stress usually helps kick start it. My birds have had it before and its usually when i bring their weight down to hunt. I know you can get it done. Dont worry yourself and be confident in your abilities. Your smart enough to ask for help and listen to the advice given. Its all been solid advice. Youll be fine and no worse for the wear!
 
Beman said:
Hi there thank you! I am doing a lot of what you have said to do. May I ask you a few additional questions?
The fecal came back with over 30 oocysts. The Vet said this was a lot. I have no idea. But she is treating him with 2 doses of the ponazural 48 hours a part then doing it again in two weeks. Do you think this is right? Today I completed the second dose of the first round of treatment. Also she is doing a fecal on him in 4 weeks and then two weeks after. Would that be correct? So the final fecal would be 4 weeks after the second round of treatment.

There is also the concern with my cham I had prior to getting this one. He had a clean fecal a month ago at his 1 year check up. She said that I need to wait 2 more weeks to get a real idea if he was contaminated. This would give a full month for the oocysts to show in the fecal. She said if it came back clear then he should be good but I worry a lot. So does this sound right to you?

You do all of the process until you get 3 clean fecals.. How far apart do you run the fecals?

Also I am unable to cup feed my new boy. He shows no interest in the cup. He will only eat if they are crawling on the branches.. Even then he is not eating much. Only 2-3 feeders at most every other day. I don't know if I should continue to let him eat off the branches or put them in the cup and hope he goes for them if he gets hungry enough. I have been trying to make sure he continues to eat so I have been letting him eat off the branches but I know this is more of a risk for contamination continuing.
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Maybe try feeding him from a branch you are holding. you could keep it out of the area and clean.
 
Beman said:
Ohhh good idea.... I will try this.. it takes him some time to eat. 6 hours today to finally eat the horn worm and two dubia. But it is worth a try for sure!
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I had a bird that hated me but i could get with a cricket paddle with astro turf wrapped on it. as time went on the paddle got shorter until there was a small dot of turf on my glove and eventually no dot and no attacking my face. I hope it works for you. You are a nurturer by nature and this is why you will succeed. You are aware and alert to their needs. I try to think of more but most of what i got is for nasty angry birds.
 
krikinit said:
I had a bird that hated me but i could get with a cricket paddle with astro turf wrapped on it. as time went on the paddle got shorter until there was a small dot of turf on my glove and eventually no dot and no attacking my face. I hope it works for you. You are a nurturer by nature and this is why you will succeed. You are aware and alert to their needs. I try to think of more but most of what i got is for nasty angry birds.
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Thank you hun! Any ideas you have for feeding please share. I really don’t want to chance feeding him from his branches. But I need him to eat so he gets stronger. So I am open to anything.
 
I'd try the stick method. Isuppose you could even rig it so that you can place the clean stick/dowel in the cage, put bugs on it, and then remove it afterward to greatly limit the chance of contamination if he doesn't want to eat in front of you!

You can try popping food directly into Bahari's mouth, too, though I'm not sure if it's worth the stress at this point!
 
GoodKarma19 said:
I'd try the stick method. Isuppose you could even rig it so that you can place the clean stick/dowel in the cage, put bugs on it, and then remove it afterward to greatly limit the chance of contamination if he doesn't want to eat in front of you!

You can try popping food directly into Bahari's mouth, too, though I'm not sure if it's worth the stress at this point!
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Yeah I may try rigging it to the ceiling lol.

Unless he stops eating all together I don't want to force it on him yet. He still does not trust me fully. And I don't want to break the little trust we have.

I think tomorrow I am going to move my chair over and just hold it in my hand. See if he will eventually take it from me. He has only taken 2 silks from me but that was the first few days he was here. Otherwise everything he has eaten has been off the branches.

I have more silks coming in this week as well so I might have better luck with hand feeding those.
 
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