sandrachameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
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SSimsswiSS
Avid Member
I know I might raise some brows, but I use to throw in some fish flakes once a week when raising chameleon babies. Made babies visually more plump, then there counter parts raised without.
AndrewH
New Member
Hey Steve,
Did you give fish flakes for the babies or fish flakes for the crickets?
SSimsswiSS
Avid Member
To the crickets.
Can you see me making a tiny fish flake ball on the end of a tread and jigglin to get a baby to bite, times 50.
AndrewH
New Member
To the crickets.
thought so, haha, considering you mill your own gutload. yes i can picture that
hawaiianice99
New Member
i have heard of this, but why not just feed feeder fish? there are many sites and threads on this, sorry i see this as un beneficial and wrong type of nutrition.
My take on it is almost anything is ok and maybe beneficial if you use it once in a while. The problems start happening when you get too much of a particular thing all the time, with the flakes it's probably too high in protein which would lead to problems if the chams ate it every day.
sandrachameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
I agree with this statement. Variety and moderation is key.
I give my roaches fish flakes once a month. Many of those roaches eventually make it into the chams. So far no harm done (in ten years of raising chameleons)
ChromaChameleons
New Member
I use fish food flakes in the baby chams cages. It ensures that any stray crickets will dine on fish food flakes and not a weak or runtish baby cham.
Dave Weldon
Avid Member
Howdy All,
Ingredients examples of some fish flakes...
Wardley Essentials Tropical Fish Flakes:
Fish Meal , Wheat Flour , Soy Protein Concentrate , Wheat Gluten Meal , Herring Meal , Brewers Dried Yeast , Fish Oil , Rice Flour , Shrimp Meal , Wheat Germ Meal , Soy Protein Isolate , Spirulina , Krill Digest , Crab Meal , Ferrous Oxide , Lecithin , Xanthan Gum , L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate , Choline Chloride , Betaine , Astaxanthin Oil , Carrot Oleoresin , Chlorophyll Extract , Ethoxyquin - a Preservative , Vitamin A Supplement , Vitamin D3 Supplement , Vitamin E Supplement , Riboflavin Supplement , Niacin Supplement , Calcium Pantothenate , Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex , Folic Acid , Pyridoxine Hydrochloride , Thiamine Mononitrate , Biotin , Vitamin B12 Supplement , Ferrous Sulfate , Zinc Sulfate , Copper Sulfate , Manganese Sulfate , Cobalt Carbonate , Potassium Iodate , Sodium Selenite
Tropical Fish Flakes
Extra Vitamin C and fresh fish oil upgrade this complete fish diet. Fish grow larger in any size aquarium.
INGREDIENTS: White-fish meal, oat & wheat flours, Soy flour, gluten, dried brewer’s yeast, frozen or dried brine-shrimp, plankton, shrimp, krill powder mix, kelp meal, fish oil, lecithin, dried sprirulina
VITAMIN SUPPLEMENTS: A, D-3, B1, B-12, Choline HCL, Biotin, Extra Stabilized Vitamin "C", methlonine. NO Preservatives, some coloring.
ANALYSIS: Min. crude protein: 45% Min. crude fat: 4.1% Max. crude fiber: 4.2% Max; moisture: 8.2%
TetraColor Tropical Crisps
Ingredients: Fish Meal, Dried Yeast, Cornstarch, Shrimp Meal, Wheat Gluten, Ground Brown Rice, Potato Protein, Soybean Oil, Fish Oil, Dehulled Soybean Meal, Guar Gum, Dried Skimmed Milk, Sorbitol, Algae Meal, Lecithin, Yeast Extract, L-Carnitine, Ascorbic Acid (Source of Vitamin C), Inositol, Niacin, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (Stabilized Vitamin C), D-Calcium Pantothenate, A-Tocopherol-Acetate (Source of Vitamin E), Riboflavin-5-Phosphate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin A Palmitate (Source of Vitamin A), Folic Acid, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, Biotin, Cyanocobalamin (Source of Vitamin B12), Cholecalciferol (Source of Vitamin D3), Manganese Sulfate Monohydrate, Zinc Sulfate Monohydrate, Ferrous Sulfate Monohydrate, Cobalt Nitrate Hexahydrate. Color Includes: Yellow 5 Lake, Red 3 Dye, Oleoresin (Capsanthin and Capsorubin), Canthaxanthin. Ethoxyquin and Citric Acid both as preservatives.
Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein 46.0% min
Crude Fat 12.0% min
Crude Fiber 3.0% max
Moisture 9.0% max
Phosphorus 1.0% min
Vitamin C 445 mg/kg min
Carnitine 123 mg/kg min
Ingredients examples of some fish flakes...
Wardley Essentials Tropical Fish Flakes:
Fish Meal , Wheat Flour , Soy Protein Concentrate , Wheat Gluten Meal , Herring Meal , Brewers Dried Yeast , Fish Oil , Rice Flour , Shrimp Meal , Wheat Germ Meal , Soy Protein Isolate , Spirulina , Krill Digest , Crab Meal , Ferrous Oxide , Lecithin , Xanthan Gum , L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate , Choline Chloride , Betaine , Astaxanthin Oil , Carrot Oleoresin , Chlorophyll Extract , Ethoxyquin - a Preservative , Vitamin A Supplement , Vitamin D3 Supplement , Vitamin E Supplement , Riboflavin Supplement , Niacin Supplement , Calcium Pantothenate , Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex , Folic Acid , Pyridoxine Hydrochloride , Thiamine Mononitrate , Biotin , Vitamin B12 Supplement , Ferrous Sulfate , Zinc Sulfate , Copper Sulfate , Manganese Sulfate , Cobalt Carbonate , Potassium Iodate , Sodium Selenite
Tropical Fish Flakes
Extra Vitamin C and fresh fish oil upgrade this complete fish diet. Fish grow larger in any size aquarium.
INGREDIENTS: White-fish meal, oat & wheat flours, Soy flour, gluten, dried brewer’s yeast, frozen or dried brine-shrimp, plankton, shrimp, krill powder mix, kelp meal, fish oil, lecithin, dried sprirulina
VITAMIN SUPPLEMENTS: A, D-3, B1, B-12, Choline HCL, Biotin, Extra Stabilized Vitamin "C", methlonine. NO Preservatives, some coloring.
ANALYSIS: Min. crude protein: 45% Min. crude fat: 4.1% Max. crude fiber: 4.2% Max; moisture: 8.2%
TetraColor Tropical Crisps
Ingredients: Fish Meal, Dried Yeast, Cornstarch, Shrimp Meal, Wheat Gluten, Ground Brown Rice, Potato Protein, Soybean Oil, Fish Oil, Dehulled Soybean Meal, Guar Gum, Dried Skimmed Milk, Sorbitol, Algae Meal, Lecithin, Yeast Extract, L-Carnitine, Ascorbic Acid (Source of Vitamin C), Inositol, Niacin, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (Stabilized Vitamin C), D-Calcium Pantothenate, A-Tocopherol-Acetate (Source of Vitamin E), Riboflavin-5-Phosphate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin A Palmitate (Source of Vitamin A), Folic Acid, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, Biotin, Cyanocobalamin (Source of Vitamin B12), Cholecalciferol (Source of Vitamin D3), Manganese Sulfate Monohydrate, Zinc Sulfate Monohydrate, Ferrous Sulfate Monohydrate, Cobalt Nitrate Hexahydrate. Color Includes: Yellow 5 Lake, Red 3 Dye, Oleoresin (Capsanthin and Capsorubin), Canthaxanthin. Ethoxyquin and Citric Acid both as preservatives.
Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein 46.0% min
Crude Fat 12.0% min
Crude Fiber 3.0% max
Moisture 9.0% max
Phosphorus 1.0% min
Vitamin C 445 mg/kg min
Carnitine 123 mg/kg min
sandrachameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
The fish flakes I use are called 8 Veggie Flakes
Ingredients (so you can compare to regular fish flake foods):
I think as long as fish flakes are NOT a major part of your cricket (or any other feeders) diet, things will be fine. IMHO Variety (in gutload and in types of feeders offered) and moderation are key.
Ingredients (so you can compare to regular fish flake foods):
- spirulina
- fish meal
- wheat flour
- starch
- green pea powder
- carrot powder
- spinach powder
- fish oil
- romaine lettuce
- alfalfa powder
- zucchini powder
- yeast
- lecithin
- beet powder
- kale powder
- vitamins (c, a, bs d3)
- some minerals and some colouring
I think as long as fish flakes are NOT a major part of your cricket (or any other feeders) diet, things will be fine. IMHO Variety (in gutload and in types of feeders offered) and moderation are key.
