Nicodemayo
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If I had to make a ballpark guess, I would say his kidneys took a hard blow from severe dehydration, and the damage was probably to late to turn around. Sorry for your fallen friend Syn.
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Syn
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I'm not going to get another one any time soon. We had enough money just in case the two chams I have got sick, but if we make another purchase on a panther, the money we have saved for vet visits just in case would be nonexistant for the first month or so.
I'll just stick with my veiled for now.
I'll just stick with my veiled for now.
Syn
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That's what I was thinking, and what a few of my friends were thinking. My fault for not having a better drip system set up. We all have to learn some way. Will be looking into buying a misting system eventually.
We just have to waterproof the walls first.
ChrisnLisa
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Syn- Sorry about your loss.
I think it is absolutely imperative that you review your husbandry asap. Non of us want to see a similar situation with your veiled, especially after reading about him escaping/throwing up water, etc.
We live in NV which is also the desert with very high temps, and almost no humidity. We are also going through severe spike temps from day to night, and with that comes being more aware of how to keep these things in check. Panthers need exposure to water more-so than veileds, but I hope you are providing your veiled with enough.
We have a misting system set-up on 11 cages right now. There should be no reason to "water-proof" your walls if they are already painted. You have the ability to direct the nozzles, and by doing so correctly, you can avoid water from spraying on your walls. Also, making sure the blinds/curtains are closed in the room they are housed in will keep desert daytime temps down tremendously.
I think it is absolutely imperative that you review your husbandry asap. Non of us want to see a similar situation with your veiled, especially after reading about him escaping/throwing up water, etc.
We live in NV which is also the desert with very high temps, and almost no humidity. We are also going through severe spike temps from day to night, and with that comes being more aware of how to keep these things in check. Panthers need exposure to water more-so than veileds, but I hope you are providing your veiled with enough.
We have a misting system set-up on 11 cages right now. There should be no reason to "water-proof" your walls if they are already painted. You have the ability to direct the nozzles, and by doing so correctly, you can avoid water from spraying on your walls. Also, making sure the blinds/curtains are closed in the room they are housed in will keep desert daytime temps down tremendously.
Syn
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The walls are that fake wood stuff. Some of it is peeling off from misting my panther and veiled. So it's not painted.
All the blinds were closed. But he was by a window, that's all I can think of.
Going to bury him now. Thanks for all of your "support"..
moody232002
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syn i am so sorry for your loss and completely understand your wanting to be sure he was passed away before burial.
when i lost my first veiled Missy to a worm infestation i couldn't bury her because everything was black apart from her poor belly.we have to satisfy ourselves first that it is "safe" to let them go.
take the time to heal i send you hugs
when i lost my first veiled Missy to a worm infestation i couldn't bury her because everything was black apart from her poor belly.we have to satisfy ourselves first that it is "safe" to let them go.
take the time to heal i send you hugs
sandrachameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
Condolences. Its hard to loose the pet members of our families.
Syn
Avid Member
Thank you Sandra, I guess it's harder to understand, as complex and unique they are.
Syn
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We're going to replace the plants and turn the veiled's cage into an outside cage(and use the nosy's cage for himself, the veiled's cage didn't hold humidity as well as I'd have liked it to) for basking every now and then when the weather is nice. I'll have to research that so I don't end up leaving him outside too long. You learn and you learn, and you learn some more, and even then, you don't stop learning. I'm stocking up on plants this time, to make sure humidity isn't an issue. Also going to save some money, break down and get a SUPER humidifier instead of a good one.
mickey
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Aside, from having to water allot of plants. I have found it here, in my real dry climate that allot of plants in my Cham room has brought up the humidity in there by possibly 25%, without a humidifyer. So with lots of plants and a humidifyer in your room should bring the Levels right up to within reason for you.
mickey
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Even though Some plants are not good Chameleon climbing plants, purchase some of the real broad leaf plants to help gain that humidity transfer. 
Edit: O yea, + if you get lots of plants in the room. Sure makes for some real relaxing Jungle feel, for you and the Chameleons as well.
Edit: O yea, + if you get lots of plants in the room. Sure makes for some real relaxing Jungle feel, for you and the Chameleons as well.
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jojackson
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Yeah, hes right. I didnt mention that even when the cage is moist down the bottom from the dripper splashes etc, the air up the top can still be much drier. I found this with mine.
I added a Hanging pothos (theres pics in a thread here somewhere) and I mist that Occasionally. Now the humidity has increased. The moisture in the soil of a hanging pot (good drainage needed) also contributes nicely.
Again a dripper that runs all day is really good too (did you see the pics I put for ya?)
Easy to make, just find a good size freidge container of water in the supermarket.
10 litres is great, But ensure its hanger is strong to support its weight. Heavy when full.
You may alternately have a convenient shelf or something up high, but the resevoir needs to be at height to work best.
A few feet of regular aquarium tubing and atleast one valve (2 at a distance from each other is good though) will be needed from the petstore to set it up.
Oh yeah, the black gizmo you can see in the pic where the drops come out, is a regulator for a garden dripper system. But you dont need that, you could maybe find something else, or leave the tube opening as is, but it depends on how you anchor it.
A great anchor point would be up high in the cage, preferably near the basking spot (within easy reach, mine drinks straight from the dripper, yours may not, but you could ensure he can if the idea takes him.) and dripping over plants or vines to create a splashing. If you drip it over a hanging plants leaves thats great.
If the cage is all or mostly screen including the top and bottom, That will create a suitably humid (50% or a bit above) enviroment inside the cage. On a warm (hot) day/s a small desk fan nearby on 'LOW' and aimed at the bottom of the cage where the drip catching tray is, will create a nice cooling effect without ruining the humidity. But never for more than an hour or two, or else you will effect humidity, but as you think is nessesary, especially if its really hot. Maybe you could get away with a heat bulb of slightly lower wattage too?
(your approaching summer time???)
Plants are great but It needs some 'elbow room' to climb too. Were they in the same cage before?
Curtains may be a must? Broad daylight coming in the window seems ok, but if the window gets direct sun, then the curtains are the go i think. Maybe its possible/nessesary to place some shade material over the window to prevent some warming of the room? Blinds?
Just some last minute thoughts and what I did through summer.
I added a Hanging pothos (theres pics in a thread here somewhere) and I mist that Occasionally. Now the humidity has increased. The moisture in the soil of a hanging pot (good drainage needed) also contributes nicely.
Again a dripper that runs all day is really good too (did you see the pics I put for ya?)
Easy to make, just find a good size freidge container of water in the supermarket.
10 litres is great, But ensure its hanger is strong to support its weight. Heavy when full.
You may alternately have a convenient shelf or something up high, but the resevoir needs to be at height to work best.
A few feet of regular aquarium tubing and atleast one valve (2 at a distance from each other is good though) will be needed from the petstore to set it up.
Oh yeah, the black gizmo you can see in the pic where the drops come out, is a regulator for a garden dripper system. But you dont need that, you could maybe find something else, or leave the tube opening as is, but it depends on how you anchor it.
A great anchor point would be up high in the cage, preferably near the basking spot (within easy reach, mine drinks straight from the dripper, yours may not, but you could ensure he can if the idea takes him.) and dripping over plants or vines to create a splashing. If you drip it over a hanging plants leaves thats great.
If the cage is all or mostly screen including the top and bottom, That will create a suitably humid (50% or a bit above) enviroment inside the cage. On a warm (hot) day/s a small desk fan nearby on 'LOW' and aimed at the bottom of the cage where the drip catching tray is, will create a nice cooling effect without ruining the humidity. But never for more than an hour or two, or else you will effect humidity, but as you think is nessesary, especially if its really hot. Maybe you could get away with a heat bulb of slightly lower wattage too?
(your approaching summer time???)
Plants are great but It needs some 'elbow room' to climb too. Were they in the same cage before?
Curtains may be a must? Broad daylight coming in the window seems ok, but if the window gets direct sun, then the curtains are the go i think. Maybe its possible/nessesary to place some shade material over the window to prevent some warming of the room? Blinds?
Just some last minute thoughts and what I did through summer.
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Syn
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I bought a huge hanging pothos, it's so big I'll have to cut off some leaves so it won't put the top screen down off my cage!
I saw your dripper, it's a good idea.
As for a dripper, I will try to get a shelf, or I will use the hook that's already in the ceiling (I don't know if it'll hold the weight, though). The cage is all screen. Yes, we are indeed approaching summer time soon, it's spring now, but spring here is like summer. The blinds didn't help with the Panther, I suppose. The summer sun is harsher than I thought.
I saw your dripper, it's a good idea.
As for a dripper, I will try to get a shelf, or I will use the hook that's already in the ceiling (I don't know if it'll hold the weight, though). The cage is all screen. Yes, we are indeed approaching summer time soon, it's spring now, but spring here is like summer. The blinds didn't help with the Panther, I suppose. The summer sun is harsher than I thought.
jojackson
New Member
I attached my resevoir to the picture rail on the wall with large nails (dodgy but Solid) with coathanger wire . Id prefer a shelf or something but dont have one handy. See I was using a childs drinking cup to begin with, for a dripper resevoir, but unless it ran too slow it ran out in about 3 hrs. Then I used a 'Big dripper' and it ran out in about 6 hrs.
That was better but I have lights on for 12 hrs, thats still two changes a day, I just dont have time (lots of other pets/kids/wife/life LOL) so I spied the water in the fridge one night, and 'Bingo'! cham resevoir!
Now I turn the thing on with the valve at lights on, and off at lights off, for three days before I refill Entirely. Cham always has water avail that he will drink if he needs to, even though hes habitual and drinks from the dripper every morning at lights on.
That was better but I have lights on for 12 hrs, thats still two changes a day, I just dont have time (lots of other pets/kids/wife/life LOL) so I spied the water in the fridge one night, and 'Bingo'! cham resevoir!
Now I turn the thing on with the valve at lights on, and off at lights off, for three days before I refill Entirely. Cham always has water avail that he will drink if he needs to, even though hes habitual and drinks from the dripper every morning at lights on.
