Flapneck House

[TxBeardie]

I have a pair of flaps that are in a 10gal tank with a 10gal screen on top. I am buying them a much deserved new home. Without the stuff about housing separate, would an 18x18x36 be sufficient? Looking at the DIY or lllreptile alum screen cage. They have been together long before I've had them. I've had them a few months with no issues. The babies just need more room. Thanks for the input and help.

 

[ChameleonsInMyHouse]

I have a pair of flaps that are in a 10gal tank with a 10gal screen on top. I am buying them a much deserved new home. Without the stuff about housing separate, would an 18x18x36 be sufficient? Looking at the DIY or lllreptile alum screen cage. They have been together long before I've had them. I've had them a few months with no issues. The babies just need more room. Thanks for the input and help.

you will not want to house a pair together, but 2 of those cages would suffice them. housing a pair together can lead to many unnecessary clutch lays and mating. can and will at times lead to over stressed animals.

did you do any research before you acquired these guys? no offence, but it doesnt seem like it at all. luckily you're now, but it is going to cost a hefty piece of pocket change to properly house these guys now.

please get a new set up for them soon, but im really sad now. i keep my juvenile leopard gecko in a 10 gallon and feel like its not enough for him

 

[thephotoprincess]

I have flapnecks. I have read that a pair or 2 females can be kept together but two males will fight. I've also read that they are among the most solitary chameleons and should always be housed separately. I keep mine separate though they were together for quite a while as babies/juveniles.

If you plan to keep them together I would get a larger cage with lots of plants so they have plenty of room to have their own space and be prepared to separate later if problems arise.

 

[ChameleonsInMyHouse]

I have flapnecks. I have read that a pair or 2 females can be kept together but two males will fight. I've also read that they are among the most solitary chameleons and should always be housed separately. I keep mine separate though they were together for quite a while as babies/juveniles.

If you plan to keep them together I would get a larger cage with lots of plants so they have plenty of room to have their own space and be prepared to separate later if problems arise.

please dont house them together.

 

[kinyonga]

If you house them together as soon as they are sexually mature they will likely mate even if they are not full grown themselves. Why put the strain of laying/producing eggs on a female until she's full grown for sure??

Once she is gravid, she will want to repel the male...and may fight if they are not separated. Not only that the stress of a male being present on a gravid female could compromise her health.

 

[TxBeardie]

you will not want to house a pair together, but 2 of those cages would suffice them. housing a pair together can lead to many unnecessary clutch lays and mating. can and will at times lead to over stressed animals.

did you do any research before you acquired these guys? no offence, but it doesnt seem like it at all. luckily you're now, but it is going to cost a hefty piece of pocket change to properly house these guys now.

please get a new set up for them soon, but im really sad now. i keep my juvenile leopard gecko in a 10 gallon and feel like its not enough for him

Yes I did a little research. There is not much just on the flapnecks. I got them out of a very bad situation as fast as I could. They were being housed in a reptology 12x12x18 acrylic enclosure. I had to search to find what type they are. I know there situation may not be perfect, but I'm working on it. Thanks for the very little bit of helpful info. I will now get the largest they have or 2 smaller. I do appreciate everyone immediately assuming my idiocy and quick to point out their superior knowledge of not together. Wasn't the question, but thanks anyway. Next time I come across neglected animals, I will contact you guys to set me straight before I can get them home. Hopefully these poor guys can survive this horrible shelter I have them in for a couple more days.

 

[Lizardlover]

Excuse me for my ignorance, but I didn't see anyone being rude at all. Just a concerned forum member asking you if you did any research, even someone with the slightest bit of chameleon knowledge knows that a 10 gallon is not sufficient in any way. Also, if the animals were being neglected and were in such bad condition it doesnt sound like you gave them a much better place to live. As a matter of a fact a few days CAN kill a severely stressed chameleon, especially if you have them so cramped up! We are very passionate about these animals so when someone isn't doing something right we feel the need to address it in a straight-forward way.

 

[lumbasammler]

Hello,
depending on the subspecies, ch.dilepis can become quite large, i would DEFENITELY give them more space. I own a male of ch.dilepis.petersii which is the smallest of the known subspecies with only 20 cm total lenght and i provide him a cage with LBH 120*100*60cm which he uses fully. You can definitely not keep two dilepis together, they won´t get along AT ALL as adults.

 

[TxBeardie]

Excuse me for my ignorance, but I didn't see anyone being rude at all. Just a concerned forum member asking you if you did any research, even someone with the slightest bit of chameleon knowledge knows that a 10 gallon is not sufficient in any way. Also, if the animals were being neglected and were in such bad condition it doesnt sound like you gave them a much better place to live. As a matter of a fact a few days CAN kill a severely stressed chameleon, especially if you have them so cramped up! We are very passionate about these animals so when someone isn't doing something right we feel the need to address it in a straight-forward way.

I am very passionate about my animals as well. I understand what they are in is not sufficient. They are at least getting fed daily clean cage with plenty of fresh water dripping and being misted. I truly hope to be the Steve Irwin of chams as most of you obviously are. They must not be too terribly stressed since both are thriving in the months I've had them. Sorry for bringing ignorance to your wonderful forum. Please direct me to the dumbass section. Sorry for asking a question to you a SENIOR genius member and making them sad about my 2 chams that I am trying to do right by. From now on I shall read and keep quiet if that's ok. Im trying to do the best for them.

 

[TxBeardie]

Hello,
depending on the subspecies, ch.dilepis can become quite large, i would DEFENITELY give them more space. I own a male of ch.dilepis.petersii which is the smallest of the known subspecies with only 20 cm total lenght and i provide him a cage with LBH 120*100*60cm which he uses fully. You can definitely not keep two dilepis together, they won´t get along AT ALL as adults.

Thanks. That is helpful. I will end up with 2 cages I'm sure. Thanks again.

 

[TxBeardie]

I have flapnecks. I have read that a pair or 2 females can be kept together but two males will fight. I've also read that they are among the most solitary chameleons and should always be housed separately. I keep mine separate though they were together for quite a while as babies/juveniles.

If you plan to keep them together I would get a larger cage with lots of plants so they have plenty of room to have their own space and be prepared to separate later if problems arise.

Thanks for your reply. That helps.

 

[lumbasammler]

Hey buddy,
no porb at all. I know the species quite well, but it will most probably be nearly impossible to tell which subspecies yours are without knowing their origin. So i think you should provide as larga a cage as possible as you do not know how big they will become.
Do you have the possibility to build a cage for keeping them outside?
How are the temperatures around where you live during the year at day and night time?
If possible, you may keep them outside all year which has a LOT of advantages to you as well as for your chams.

 

[TxBeardie]

I'm in Texas in the Dallas area. It is real hot outside. I have room to hook them up in style. Just trying to get a better idea before I spent the money. All I want is to take care of them.

 

[pantherlover]

People are really quick to get on their high horses on here sometimes. Good luck with the rescue mission.

 

[TxBeardie]

Thank you.

 

[lumbasammler]

Hello,
so it´s most probably to warm for you to keep them outside.
You should give each of the Chameleons cages as big as i recommended or bigger (at least 140cm high, 80cm long and 50cm deep), just in case you got some of the bigger subspecies. The cages must be planted densely(they need to be still able to move), as dilepis are rather shy in most cases, and provide several rather thin branches for climbing.
You won´t need any mistingsystem or dripper, it´s enough to spray two times a day and water every 3-4 days using a pipette.
Therefor, simply drop on a leaf or branch in front of your cham so he´ll com to drink if he´s thirsty. You might need some patience to get them used to this but it is important to not stress them too much.
You should also give them as much light as possible, as they do not come from the rainforest and are used to rather intensive lighting. You may feed them every day as long as they are still growing fast, later reduce the feeding to all 2-4 days slowly. Make sure you use proper supplementation and UV-lighting. You´ll need to give supplementation (vitamins+minerals; e.g. Korvimin ZVT+reptil for vitamins and herpetal mineral for minerals) twice a week if you do not keep them outside. Feed them a as huge variety of food as possible (e.g. all kinds of crickets, locusts and cockroaches and from time to time waxworms, silkworms, mealworm or similar, don´t feed those too often, they have a lot of fat).

 

[TxBeardie]

The male drinks from the leaves. The female will ONLY drink from a dropper or from my mister. They are being given a steady diet of crickets with appropriately sized dubias. I have a large colony for when we had beardies.I dust everything. They have quite bit of foliage. A large pothos that I have had great luck growing up instead of hanging, and a hibiscus. Along with vines and fake plants. They have a reptisun 10.0 and a small basking area which they use with great frequency. The uv is high because of how it had to be positioned. They both eat like champs side by side actually. They drive crickets back and forth. It's funny to watch. They have been shedding regular and look great. I will try to post a pic of the 2. Hard with their cage and I try not to handle them unless necessary.

 

[lumbasammler]

Hello,
make sure you don´t give them to much supplementation, this might be even worse than giving to less. Twice a week should be okay. Pics would be nice

 

[TxBeardie]

Excuse me for my ignorance, but I didn't see anyone being rude at all. Just a concerned forum member asking you if you did any research, even someone with the slightest bit of chameleon knowledge knows that a 10 gallon is not sufficient in any way. Also, if the animals were being neglected and were in such bad condition it doesnt sound like you gave them a much better place to live. As a matter of a fact a few days CAN kill a severely stressed chameleon, especially if you have them so cramped up! We are very passionate about these animals so when someone isn't doing something right we feel the need to address it in a straight-forward way.

And another thing genius. Look at the diff in the 2 enclosures that I said. It's a 20 gallon combined. They are not in the least cramped. They obviously were. Get a freaking life and quit patrolling the forums trying to make yourself into some holier than thou reptile expert. If you people have knowledge that is fantastic. That's the whole point. There is just no reason to be condescending to people asking for a little advice. Those that have been helpful, THANK YOU! I look forward to talking to you guys again.

 

[TxBeardie]

Hello,
make sure you don´t give them to much supplementation, this might be even worse than giving to less. Twice a week should be okay. Pics would be nice

Ok. I was giving I to them every other feeding. I will cut it back. Thanks.