Freak Accident!!!!!!!! Need Help!!
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KShook
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Hi Elisa,
Do you know if Dr. Molnar has ever done such a surgery?? My Vet is also my Boss..
She dosent know to much about chams..She actually wanted me to find any info about this I could..And the only post I found stated that the vet used baytril, gave fluids, and pain meds...I wasnt to sure what else could be done?? So they can totally remove the Hyoid Bone and close the Hole? How risky is the surgery?? Would it be worth doing or could the Hyoid bone be left to heal and the cham still be okay??
Do you know if Dr. Molnar has ever done such a surgery?? My Vet is also my Boss..
She dosent know to much about chams..She actually wanted me to find any info about this I could..And the only post I found stated that the vet used baytril, gave fluids, and pain meds...I wasnt to sure what else could be done?? So they can totally remove the Hyoid Bone and close the Hole? How risky is the surgery?? Would it be worth doing or could the Hyoid bone be left to heal and the cham still be okay??
KShook
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KShook
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None of the chameleons that I have had or know of that have lost the tongue had the hyoid spike removed and they learned before long to chase down the food like any other lizard. (I had one exeption where the flap of skin annoyed the chameleon and compromised its health.)
chamelisa
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Wouldn't there be a problem with having an exposed bone? My vet performed two surgeries on chameleons that were in really bad shape to remove the tongue because of permanent damage and in both cases, he sutured enough of the tongue to cover their hyoid bone. If there is nothing to cover the bone, then I wonder if it would be necessary to remove the exposed bone.
Again, I don't know what is right or wrong here. The two chameleons mentioned above did not survive more than 3 days following surgery but I believe it was due to the original problems and the surgery just made it worse. A hard choice to make and that is why it's important to discuss these issues with a chameleon vet. Kayla, you should ask your vet to consult with some of the other known chameleon vets in our area or just go directly to them with your chameleon. I trust Drs. Stein and Molnar, the two closest ones to you that I know of. Dr. Greek is a long drive for you but he's got a great reputation as well.
EDIT: You might ask Chris Anderson (cham tongue expert) what he thinks about the hyoid bone being exposed and what problems he might foresee.
Again, I don't know what is right or wrong here. The two chameleons mentioned above did not survive more than 3 days following surgery but I believe it was due to the original problems and the surgery just made it worse. A hard choice to make and that is why it's important to discuss these issues with a chameleon vet. Kayla, you should ask your vet to consult with some of the other known chameleon vets in our area or just go directly to them with your chameleon. I trust Drs. Stein and Molnar, the two closest ones to you that I know of. Dr. Greek is a long drive for you but he's got a great reputation as well.
EDIT: You might ask Chris Anderson (cham tongue expert) what he thinks about the hyoid bone being exposed and what problems he might foresee.
KShook
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yeah I had mentioned Dr. Molnar to her today..she said she's called him in the past before, but it's hard to get a hold of him?? Not sure when the last time she called was..She also called her Lab they have Exotic "Experts" so to speak..but have never heard of a chameleon tounge extraction happening..I'm like ugggh...When she had parasites I gave her all the contacts to call.. It was Dr.Funk she talked to him about Ponazuril ...maybe tomorrow when I go to work either myself or she can call him, she really like him to, so thats a Plus! do you by any chance have Dr Greeks or Dr Steins number?? Maybe we can call them tomorrow.
do you by any chance have Dr Greeks or Dr Steins number?? Maybe we can call them tomorrow.
KShook
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Thank you..i hope she's not either..she's been in the same spot for the last hour or so..she's been on and off roaming around her enclosure..hopefully thats a good sign??
QUOTE=Thompson;434576]I'm so sorry to hear that this happened to you!! I hope she gets better soon for you Hopefully she isn't in to much pain.[/QUOTE]
QUOTE=Thompson;434576]I'm so sorry to hear that this happened to you!! I hope she gets better soon for you
Hopefully she isn't in to much pain.[/QUOTE]
warpdrive
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I don't have much advice to give but I do hope that all goes well for her.
I also like the idea of crushed up "bug juice" better then the baby food or geckgo diet.
Just remember to ultra gutload your feeders with orange slices, strawberries, and blue berries, along with some collardgreens and dandelion, to promote as much anti oxcidents and vitamins in the bugs to help boost her immune system.
Also, I would NOT use any dry gutload as you want to promote as much moisture in your feeders as possible.
Again, good luck and I hope all goes well.
Harry
I also like the idea of crushed up "bug juice" better then the baby food or geckgo diet.
Just remember to ultra gutload your feeders with orange slices, strawberries, and blue berries, along with some collardgreens and dandelion, to promote as much anti oxcidents and vitamins in the bugs to help boost her immune system.
Also, I would NOT use any dry gutload as you want to promote as much moisture in your feeders as possible.
Again, good luck and I hope all goes well.
Harry
KShook
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KShook
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Update
So it's now 10:17 PST and she's still doing well. I gave her a shower before I put her to bed...She didnt drink, but she did layed a Nice Poop in my hand for me. She's currently perched on a branch, her color's are looking good. We'll see how she is in the Morning...Thanks to all who have given me advice, It's greatly appreciated!
So it's now 10:17 PST and she's still doing well. I gave her a shower before I put her to bed...She didnt drink, but she did layed a Nice Poop in my hand for me.
She's currently perched on a branch, her color's are looking good. We'll see how she is in the Morning...Thanks to all who have given me advice, It's greatly appreciated! Elizadolots
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I can't even imagine how scared you were! I so feel for you. I hope she adjusts well.
As you are obviously a caring and concerned owner I'm sure she has the best chance possible.
As you are obviously a caring and concerned owner I'm sure she has the best chance possible.
Miss Lily
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I have held off posting until now as I had no advice/experience to offer you, and I felt that you needed that more than support at the time of posting. It is so hard having a sick chameleon, I am so glad she is continuing to do well. Poor little girl. They can adapt without their tongues and learn to take food from a pot/dish. They just need to learn to feed again in a different way. I wish you both the best of luck!
