Help ID fecal float photos
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Texas Ranger
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I have used this for years in my koi pond as a spring rid all and then I start my filters back up it works awesome for my pond. I never thought of using it as a cleaner for cham cages. I know you would want to dilute it... Hum now you got me thinking..lol
whereswaldo
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hey how much was that microscope?
clarkrw3
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Awesome....Yes 1% is the typical cleaning solution and they sell them in tablet form for this strength. Here are a couple of links and showing it kill parasitic infections in humans at .25%. It is interesting to note that in this paper it shows the same mode of action as high strength peroxide.
http://www.microbiologybytes.com/introduction/Parasitology.html
http://www.tm.mahidol.ac.th/seameo/2010-41-4/03-4588.pdf
http://www.beautifuldragons.503xtreme.com/Disinfectants.html
Interesting discussion in a dog forum
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=202975&pagen=1
another
http://freedownload.is/pdf/cleaning-and-disinfecting-in-shelters-10474628.html
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Dez
Chamalot Chameleons
The microscope I use , and the come Clarkw3 is using is $160 on amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Celestron-443...NGCK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329255067&sr=8-1
coldbloodedAL
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clarkrw3
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Ok...I still want to hear what anyone has to say about this Virkon S, but I went ahead and ordered the stuff. It comes out to about $1 a gallon if gotten in the 25 tab bottles (cheaper in the buckets) And seems to be as effective or more so than anything I have found. (40vol peroxide, F10, Roccal D) It is a peroxide action and is safe for fish, birds and humans to ingest so I would call that pretty safe. It has the shortest contact time of them all except peroxide. It even seems like it would be able to be used in the potted plants during treatment. (cleaning the dirt during treatment) It also seems like if any is inadvertently left on a drinking surface it would only aid in deparasiting the cham
The only place close for me to buy peroxide only has liter sizes of 30 vol and it's $8 a liter. At that price I don't feel like I can use it in excess like I would like. Food grade 35% peroxide is $50 a gallon which could be cut to make three gal but still.
Thoughts?
The only place close for me to buy peroxide only has liter sizes of 30 vol and it's $8 a liter. At that price I don't feel like I can use it in excess like I would like. Food grade 35% peroxide is $50 a gallon which could be cut to make three gal but still.Thoughts?
Dave Weldon
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Howdy Rob,
As often is the case, with a novice like meo) unless the "parasite" in question is highly definable; unlike your samples (), I end-up scratching my head trying to decide if it is actually a parasite oocyst or just a pseudoparasite. Plant material (cells etc.), including pollen, can sometimes look similar roundworm eggs, coccidia, and a few others. That being said, when you have the "real thing" it can really jump out at you with no doubt. Like Dez's coccidia and pinworm examples, there is no doubt what we're looking at .
Here's a couple of my shots:
pinworm shots:
Classic Coccidia (100x):
(Coccidia (400x):
Non-parasite air bubbles:
Probably plant material:
Here's one of my videos of a wild panther's blood sample showing microfilarial worms:
As often is the case, with a novice like me
o) unless the "parasite" in question is highly definable; unlike your samples (), I end-up scratching my head trying to decide if it is actually a parasite oocyst or just a pseudoparasite. Plant material (cells etc.), including pollen, can sometimes look similar roundworm eggs, coccidia, and a few others. That being said, when you have the "real thing" it can really jump out at you with no doubt. Like Dez's coccidia and pinworm examples, there is no doubt what we're looking at .Here's a couple of my shots:
pinworm shots:
Classic Coccidia (100x):
(Coccidia (400x):
Non-parasite air bubbles:
Probably plant material:
Here's one of my videos of a wild panther's blood sample showing microfilarial worms:
Dave Weldon
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Howdy Rob,
Years ago, I looked into Virkon S but I don't remember why I didn't go that direction. Sounds like good stuff. I still have some of the gallon of Nolvasan that I used in non-parasite sanitizing situations. Funny, I just sold-off the last half a dozen of my quart bottles of 40 volume H2O2 at the January SBCK meeting for $2/bottle .
Years ago, I looked into Virkon S but I don't remember why I didn't go that direction
. Sounds like good stuff. I still have some of the gallon of Nolvasan that I used in non-parasite sanitizing situations. Funny, I just sold-off the last half a dozen of my quart bottles of 40 volume H2O2 at the January SBCK meeting for $2/bottle .
ataraxia
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Thanks Dave!! Your example of "probable plant matter" looks a lot more like my photos than your coccidia photos. I wouldn't call you a novice
i agree with you..Does look like what Dave has labeled plant material.
clarkrw3
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Howdy Rob,
Years ago, I looked into Virkon S but I don't remember why I didn't go that direction
I have a gal of the Nolvasan too that I have used for cleaning.
I prescribe that all day every day for my patients so if it's good for them it should be good for my chamsIf you remember why you didn't go with Virkon S please let me know because it looks like I will be going that way at least right now
I would have jumped all over that 40 vol, you would think it would be easy to find in a city like Phx but so far NO luck Did you use it on your bio vine too or did you just boil them?
Dez
Chamalot Chameleons
Howdy Rob,
As often is the case, with a novice like me
Ha ha Ha! I am the novice! I consider you the master of poop
clarkrw3
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Will be Dez. I am waiting for some good samples that I know aren't old. So I expect that I will run some more this Friday. I am going to have to get a pretty good handle on what I am looking at because my vet charges almost $50 a sample.
Personally I think reptile vets should be running these samples for 10-15 and if they are needing to make money make it on the meds, exams, cleaning supplies etc. I know that if that was the case I would be dropping off 10-15 samples every 3mo or so. But as it is I guess I am just going to have to spot check my results with vet checks and make sure i become competent in running them myself. You all in FL are so lucky to have great reptile vets to work with!!! Anyone know of a good site to order fecasol in the gal size and fecal float vials by the 50?
Never mind.....Found it. 49.97 shipped for a gal of fecasol and 50 float vials
http://www.revivalanimal.com/Fecasol.html
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Texas Ranger
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Make your Own take a gal. Of water and the biggest bag of epsom salt you can get add a lot every day and shake it up un till the water won't take anymore then make sure you have a good in. Of epsom salt in the bottem done 5-10 bucks that's it.
5-10 bucks that's it.Will be Dez. I am waiting for some good samples that I know aren't old. So I expect that I will run some more this Friday. I am going to have to get a pretty good handle on what I am looking at because my vet charges almost $50 a sample.
Anyone know of a good site to order fecasol in the gal size and fecal float vials by the 50?
Never mind.....Found it. 49.97 shipped for a gal of fecasol and 50 float vials
http://www.revivalanimal.com/Fecasol.html
Texas Ranger
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I mean send me 40 bucks and I will send you a gallon lol. No really that's how you make it and its the same stuff you pay 50 bucks for
lol. No really that's how you make it and its the same stuff you pay 50 bucks for Will be Dez. I am waiting for some good samples that I know aren't old. So I expect that I will run some more this Friday. I am going to have to get a pretty good handle on what I am looking at because my vet charges almost $50 a sample.
Anyone know of a good site to order fecasol in the gal size and fecal float vials by the 50?
Never mind.....Found it. 49.97 shipped for a gal of fecasol and 50 float vials
http://www.revivalanimal.com/Fecasol.html
clarkrw3
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I mean send me 40 bucks and I will send you a gallon
I didn't pay 50 for that...I paid 14.99 for that. I also got 50 float vials and shipping for the 50
Thanks though....you have a few things I am sure you could send me though
The specific gravity of the solution is determined by the type and amount of the salt. It's the specific gravity that makes the eggs of parasites either float or sink. So if you make your own make sure you know what specific gravity you need for the type of eggs you're looking for, and measure it when you make your solution. Otherwise you'll get lots of false negatives.
clarkrw3
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LOL I am not making my own...but I do have a specific gravity analyser from making beer
