How long before they turn green again?

krusty46

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We got Chip two weeks ago today at a Reptile Expo. I'll admit we weren't planning on a Chameleon so I did not have everything ready, but we got mostly everything at the Expo and he was up and running within a few hours. I'm not new to reptiles, so I kinda knew what to do.
Problem is he is still brown all day. Is this normal after two weeks? He started to show some yellow after about a week, but that's about it.

Chip is a male Veiled and as mentioned we've had him two weeks. He is about 6 months old.
My wife handled him briefly on day one to get him into his new enclosure, no one has touched him since. He has hissed at least once at my wife and he puffed up and hissed at me today for the first time when I was holding a superworm about 6-8 inches away from him.

We have been feeding him medium-large supers and small crickets, dusted with calcium w/D3 and vitamins. So far it's only been about 2 vitamin dustings with Calcium just about every other feeding. The calcium is Tetra brand and the Vitamins are RepCal. He has chewed up his plants a bit as well. I have a Pothos and as Schefflera?
I've been spraying/misting the tank 3-4 times per day to keep the humidify in the 60% range. I use a spray bottle and go until everything gets a decent soaking. Usually in the morning before work, when I get home from work (about 5pm) and a last one about 1 hour before lights out (currently 9pm). I sneak in an extra mid-day when I'm home on the weekends. My house tends to be very dry, so I let the digital hydrometer be my guide. I have never seen him drink. I can say HE HATES spray time. As soon as I start he zooms to highest ground and hides behind his plant. I try to not just spray him. Most of the damage is to the live plants, but I also give at least one spray up higher so as to get some water on the fake plants.
Poop looks normal or similar to my Beardie. Black with a white tip. Solid, not runny. He is pooping at least once per, maybe twice on a few days. Have not done a fecal.
Haven't really had him long enough to have an detailed history. He was bright green when we bought him and he's bright green when he goes to sleep.

He's in a Reptibreeze 2x2x4. I use different sized bamboo as branches. His main basking branch is held with screws, but I used magnets on all the others.
I have an Exo Terra 10'' dome with dimmer. I was using an Zoo Med 100 watt Basking bulb up until yesterday, with his basking temps hitting 82 degrees. Gradient went all the way down to about 74 on the floor of the tank. Thought he might be a bit cold, so I swapped it out for an Exo Terra Sun Glo 150 watt. The basking temps are now hitting the low 90's going down to 75-76 on the floor of the cage, but he's still brown.
We have central air running with the thermostat set at 75-76. We raise it to 77 at night, but I don't use any night time heat. I have never seen him gape and he is all over the cage. I frequently saw him on his basking spot, but not in the past 24 hours (since new bulb).
Humidity has been between 50-70%. I do my best to keep it at 60%. Again, I use a digital thermometer/hygrometer on the floor of the cage. I use a temp gun to measure the basking temp and specific spots of the cage. Typically hold it 2-3 inches from the spot I'm trying to measure.
Most of the plants (3) are fake, but I do have a smaller Pothos and the Schefflera(?) I also have a plastic/silk vine flower wrapped around a few of the branches and vines.
The cage is in my living room. It's across the room from an air vent. I stood up on a chair and I don't feel a breeze coming from the vent. It's actually far enough away from the vent that the room temp on that side of the room is a bit warmer then what the ac control box is set at. The cage is on top of a chest about 2-3 feet off the ground. Top of the cage is probably about 7 ft off the ground. The cage is about 15 feet from my front door, but I would not say we excessively go in and out. I do have a Green Anole tank next to his, but he's usually up high and they tend to stay hidden all day.
He frequently comes down to be nosy and watch me as I sit on the floor and get dinner ready for the gang. He'll sit about as low and close to the front of the cage as he can get.

The picture is from 9 days ago (sorry I don't have a new one and it's lights out already) before I added the rest of the bamboo and another fake plant.

We are just starting to worry a bit he has not settled in. I know it can take some time, but 2 weeks seems a bit long. I also know he may never want to be handled, but we want him to be happy in his enclosure. I thought I have all my bases covered and was hoping someone can point out if I'm doing anything wrong. Thanks in advance.
 

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are you sure your basking spot is that warm? The branch looks so far down below the light. Where are you measuring the actual temp at? Also, I know you said the pic is older but the cage looks rather bare and there is really nothing towards the top of the tank in regards to foliage.
 
I have a branch going across the top under the basking bulb about 10'' away that was put in after the pic was taken. I also added 2 more at different levels. I did add another fake plant, but it is still kinda bare in the middle. I cant find any plants tall enough to fill it in so far. Sorry to be that person...I will get a new pic in the morning :)

How long are they normally stressed when new?
Also, I do have other reptiles in the same room, but they are out of sight or across the room. Nothing up high. I have a bearded dragon on the other side of the Anole tank, but I have a wall between him and the Anoles. Across the room (about 10') I have an African Clawed Frog tank and a Crested Gecko. Could he be stressed from the others?

Thanks btw
 
You would be surprised what they can see. My chams def get stressed when I have other chams or animals within eye sight. It could take up to 2-3 weeks. The more foliage and perches you put in, the more hiding places he will have, the quicker he will acclimate. Try to leave him alone and stay out of the cage except to feed, and he will come around faster than you think.
 
Ya , I agree. you need more cover and more crossing branches so that he can move around with out feeling like he is out in the open. I will let the more experianced ones get into the other details of you enclosure. I am still learning alot, but you can get the care sheet off here and it is really good at helping you get things set up right.
 
Here is the updated photo I promised.

We don't really go in the cage unless it's to add something or to feed.
I guess I'm asking for for piece of mind. I see every one's colorful chams right after they get home and he's still all brown after 2 weeks. Just wanted to see what I might be doing wrong.:confused:
So i know I need more cover. I was planning on propping up my plant so that should help. My wife and I have been arguing as to whether or not my plant stand would support the plant so I haven't put it in yet. I got some other ideas from these forums that I might tray as well.

Thanks
 

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I would get a big pothos and attach the vines to your perches. I still think it needs a lot more foliage. good start tho
 
Good job, just keep tweaking it and it will be perfect soon:). Way better than my first set up. Ha I had 10 gal glass aquarium when I first got my Cham. Your off to a good start keep it up
 
There are a couple of things I have noted from your description of his cage and from the pictures. First of all he will need ALOT more foliage to feel safe and secure. He probably feels uncomfortable being in a new environment and without a place to hide probably makes him feel like a sitting duck. Remember chameleons are prey animals so if I constantly thought I was going to be eaten, I'd be brown too! You could buy a large (real) plant - Pothos are great as they grow very fast and have vines that you can wrap on the walls and which can be used as vines for travel. If the plant isn't big enough then what I do is turn a plant pot upside down for height, and then place the plant on top of that pot to give it some height. I have found also that not having anything on the floor makes clean up very easy. If you can't get real plants, then a couple long fake ones hanging from the back corners may help along with some biovine, twisted back and forth from wall to wall for climbing. Dowels are okay for climbing but I find my chams love the biovines as they are very close to being 'real'.

A 12 hour on, and 12 hour off lighting schedule would be best for your cham as they need the darkness to sleep. If your lights go on at 7am, then they should go off at 7pm. A timer works great for this purpose!

I am also a bit concerned about your chams water provisions. The amount of time spent misting is sufficient, but really that is for humidity's sake and not for drinking. It would be a great idea to get a container (any vessel can be used - plastic cup, cleaned out milk jug, tupperware container, old peanut butter container...etc.) and poke a tiny hole in the bottom, then fill it with water and place on top of the cage. Make sure to place the dripper where the water droplets will drip onto the leaves of a plant (which is where the cham will drink from) and then have a container in the bottom catching the water that flows off the plant. Make sure to drain the container - your cham could drown in there if he falls in!

One other note: You will need to provide PLAIN calcium at every feeding, calcium w/D3 every second Sunday and then the multivitamin on the alternate Sunday's. This is the general supplementation schedule of this forum and works well for most everyone who employs it with their chams. Too much cal w/D3 can cause a vitamin overdose and health problems will begin to arise. Once you have the little guy comfortable in his home, growing and healthy, you can tweak the supplements as required. I had a guy with chronic eye problems and had to introduce vitamin A into his schedule to combat the eye problems. If the above schedule works and your cham is healthy, then you can utilise this schedule forever!

I hope this helps, keep us updated on Chips progress and realise that yes, it can take a while for him to feel comfy in his new digs!

Good luck!
 
Thank you soo much to everyone.
Will pick up a flower pot and I just ordered the dripper and Calcium w/ NO D3. Tried my own dripper and it didn't work so well, but I did get an immediate response from Chip as he ran to investigate. I know its not rocket science, but worth the $6 to buy one. I actually have a Pothos but I took it out yesterday to clean and forgot to put it back, doh
I was gonna go with a general light cycle for all my reptiles-- 14 hours of light in summer down to 10 in winter. It's currently at just over 12 hours and I will lessen it soon.

My Beardie is like a dog it just sits around and likes to hang out. Gets excited when it's time to eat. Chip has already gotten the stink eye down pat, he looks at me like he doesn't approve :)

I will let everyone know how its working.
 
Ok, it's been just about a week and I wanted to share my progress. Moved some stuff around and added more fake plants and a dripper. Chip is doing great. He was a nice bright green for about an hour today and I even had him half standing on my hand.
Biggest difference was the dripper. I never realized they wouldn't just go lick droplets off leaves after spraying like my other guys and gals.
Thanks again for all the useful info.
New updated picture attached. I still have some work, but we're getting there:)
 

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