If there were new CITES species quotas?
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kameleons jvo
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Looks great,i don't know what the species with a + means,i will ask Olaf.
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Motherlode Chameleon
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Thanks it is has been long over due for new official Madagascar quotas to be made. The 1995 CITES ban at that time was necessary. However I am too looking forward keeping and working with many/all of these species. This time around these quotas should work out for the best.
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Jeremy A. Rich
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Woohoo! I couldn't even make it through the list before drooling all over my phone... 
Chris Anderson
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Wow, very interesting. I'm surprised to say the least, but I guess that's what happens after listening to almost 20 years worth of rumors about Madagascar finally opening up. Hopefully with conservative quotas like this we won't run in to an issue again about concern over the export levels being detrimental to the wild populations. Fingers crossed!
Chris
Chris
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I am shocked that they actually aloud new brookesia and furcifer bifidus. I can't wait to see the prices for them!
Motherlode Chameleon
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With an official system and not black market imports if one of these species is not tolerant of being collected from the wild. CITES can make a zero quota for that species in a relative short period of time and take that species off of the export quota list. This preventing over collecting and conserving and safe guarding populations in the wild.
I am interested with CITES justification of the species being worthy of being an export species. Did these species have actual studies done that shows they could handle collecting pressures as (Chris Anderson stated past references) about Furcifer campani or were they added to the list just because they were listed by the IUCN Red LIst as a non threatened species that has much conserved habitat in Madagascar. If the latter I think a study of collecting pressures on wild populations should accompany the IUCN listings to further justify the species worthiness of being a species candidate for export.
Jeremy A. Rich
I am interested with CITES justification of the species being worthy of being an export species. Did these species have actual studies done that shows they could handle collecting pressures as (Chris Anderson stated past references) about Furcifer campani or were they added to the list just because they were listed by the IUCN Red LIst as a non threatened species that has much conserved habitat in Madagascar. If the latter I think a study of collecting pressures on wild populations should accompany the IUCN listings to further justify the species worthiness of being a species candidate for export.
Jeremy A. Rich
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Motherlode Chameleon
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Woohoo! I couldn't even make it through the list before drooling all over my phone...
Wow. Guess I have to start saving money and buy a bigger house
WWWOOOWWW!!! After twenty years of nothing WWOWWWW!!! It is great to have the opportunity to keep all these Madagascar species! This is an interesting time.
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Eric Adrignola
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kameleons jvo
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Except of some smaller species the bigger once are not easy to keep and breeding them is very hard specially wc these are not pardalis(keep this in mind)
CarlC
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These are not pardalis needs to be repeated over and over again!
Some of these species will be very difficult to work with. Lets hope that a majority end up in the hands of people capable of keeping them.
Carl
kameleons jvo
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kameleons jvo
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From the above list i worked with all the species except C guillaumeti and C marojezense,i bred most of them but not all.
If i list them from easy to keep breed to very difficult i would say:
Bouttgeri and nasutum are the easiest to keep and breed(if you start with healthy animals)they lay clutches several times a year,incubation is short and care for the baby's not very difficult.
Species i would list as medium difficult are brevicorne,malthe,willsii and petteri they are not very hard to keep(if you are a very experienced cham keeper)and breed but incubation is very hard they all have 1 or 2 diapauses and results are very rare.
Most difficult to breed i would say osaugnessyi,bifidus and antimana if i quote breeding parsonii as a 7 on 10 these go for 10/10 the chance you breed these successfully over several generations will be 1 on 1000000000000.
But i guess you will find out very soon where i'm talking about
Just hatched Calumma Malthe
Motherlode Chameleon
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Jurgen
I am acquainted with the fact that most of these chameleon species are considered as some of the most difficult species to breed. I am ready for that challenge. Most all of the Calumma species before 1995 in the USA had not been captive bred with the exception of Calumma parsonii, nasutum, and that is about all.
Thanks Jurgen
Jeremy A. Rich
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Motherlode Chameleon
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Here's a list to complete the list of new Brookesia quotas.
Brookesia betschi 300
Brookesia brygooi 500
Brookesia ebenaui 150
Brookesia griveaudi 150
Brookesia minima 150
Brookesia nasus 150
Brookesia peyrierasi 150
For a grand total with Calumma and Furcifer species of 22 new chameleon species.
Brookesia betschi 300
Brookesia brygooi 500
Brookesia ebenaui 150
Brookesia griveaudi 150
Brookesia minima 150
Brookesia nasus 150
Brookesia peyrierasi 150
For a grand total with Calumma and Furcifer species of 22 new chameleon species.
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