If there were new CITES species quotas?
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Chameleonmaster
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Not to get off topic but did you ever weigh them? I'm guessing they didn't weigh anymore than 5 grams.
fluxlizard
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Wow! That's just crazy!
Motherlode Chameleon
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There is still no resolution for Calumma crypticum. The quotas were posted 3/14/2014 and it is 4/1/2014. Lets hope it is an Aprils fools day thing however this species may not make the list this year.
Motherlode Chameleon
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In regards to Calumma parsonii parsonii I think I would prefer now or eventually to have the quotas met by importation of Farm Raised or Ranched specimens rather than wild caught individuals. With female Parsonii laying 30 to 50 eggs per clutch and with a CITES quota of 300 Parsonii. That means Madagascar would only have to farm and hatch or ranch 10 Calumma parsonii parsonii clutches which is not that many.
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Jeremy A. Rich
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Jeremy A. Rich
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Motherlode Chameleon
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These new quotas were done big and bold. Africa especially in areas that were once considered stable has had its problems starting about since 2007 and if things do not stabilize CITES could put these new 2014 Madagascar quotas back to 0 quotas again. Even though I would hate to watch that happen again and think that won't happen. I actually would have approved/preferred with just Calumma brevicornis, Calumma nasuta, Calumma boettgeri, Calumma gastrotaenia, and Farm Raised Orange Eye Calumma parsonii parsonii. Then if the political/social atmosphere and conservation programs progress positively in another 1 to 2 years to then add another 5 species until the 15 species of chameleons listed on the 2014 Madagascar quota list is reached. This instead of just adding fifteen species at once when the country is in a state of turmoil. If Malagasy officials legally can handle regulating 15 species of new quota species and conservation programs during a state of turmoil they can handle 15 species and conservation programs. I would have gone with this more conservative approach such as how the new chameleon quotas started with one new quota species to test the water, Furcifer campani, in 2012. As of now in recent new posts this new Presidency is not bring about much confidence.
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Jeremy A. Rich
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Jeremy A. Rich
Red Island
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We may not see many import pasonii in the us. I heard japan and Europe are paying top dollar for parsonii so they may all end up overseas.
We may not see many import pasonii in the us. I heard japan and Europe are paying top dollar for parsonii so they may all end up overseas.
Motherlode Chameleon
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Calumma parsonii parsonii are going to be available in North America.
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Jeremy A. Rich
kameleons jvo
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Just had contact with Olaf pronk and The 2014 export quota of Madagascar have just been distributed to the exporters!
Motherlode Chameleon
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kameleons jvo
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Animals will be send within a few weeks to the US.
Bad news is that it is winther in Madagascar and its very dry and cold,a very bad time to send animals
Bad news is that it is winther in Madagascar and its very dry and cold,a very bad time to send animals
CarlC
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Animals will be send within a few weeks to the US.
Bad news is that it is winther in Madagascar and its very dry and cold,a very bad time to send animals
Lets hope some of the exporters wait until after October to ship!
Carl
Motherlode Chameleon
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Absolutely I concur with you. They should take a while to rehydrate or bring the wild chameleons back to prime condition if they can before they export them out of Madagascar. Or not collect them until the chameleons are in optimum shape before exporting them. The chameleons would be worth much more if they were sold as healthier chameleons and would be a much more effective way of selling to the rest of the world as nobody wants unhealthy WC imported chameleons.
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Jeremy A. Rich
kameleons jvo
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That will never happen the minute they can ship the will ship ,they got to make money.
Thats why most of te animals will do very poorly
Motherlode Chameleon
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That will never happen the minute they can ship the will ship ,they got to make money.
Thats why most of te animals will do very poorly
Jurgen
I am going to keep demanding a change in policy even if it means a bit more money from our end. If the Malagasy collect chameleons and sell healthier chameleons a month or two later at a higher price they are going earn more. That extra money for healthier chameleons is going to make the Malagasy less poor simply put Jurgen. As well holding off exporting the Malagasy chameleons until they are in optimum condition is going to produce healthier conditions for the chameleons that are going to be exported (and eliminate the risk of prospective losses than what would happen if chameleons were shipped during less than ideal condition).
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Jeremy A. Rich
kameleons jvo
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Its realy nice that you have the best intentions for these animals Jeremy.
I talked with Olaf about it and he shares the same ideas as you and me but the other 99%dont give a *** about it and will send the same day as the got their export permit.
If you want mine opinion ,i wont buy any animals from the first shipments mortality rate will be huge.
Wait until imports come in later this year(starting October /November)
But i think for the majority it will be to late.
Not exactly a great start with these new quotas......
I talked with Olaf about it and he shares the same ideas as you and me but the other 99%dont give a *** about it and will send the same day as the got their export permit.
If you want mine opinion ,i wont buy any animals from the first shipments mortality rate will be huge.
Wait until imports come in later this year(starting October /November)
But i think for the majority it will be to late.
Not exactly a great start with these new quotas......
CarlC
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It really has nothing to do with bringing them back to prime. It is the end of the life cycle for a lot of the smaller shorter lived species. Females have laid their eggs and males have fought.
Waiting until closer to the end of the year would provide younger healthier animals.
Carl
bobcochran
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It sounds like lobbying Cites to post their quota numbers later in the year might be the more effective route to change. The Cites members aren't starving, and they're supposed to care about the animals. Let's get a movement going. Explain why it makes sense to Cites. I bet Jeremy could find the proper place to direct emails.
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