Male Veiled digging hole

Thank you. The breeder I got him off had 10 chams of his own ( veiled panther and jacksons) and also has a store and he wont sell to inexperienced reptile owners so i trusted him not to be wrong. I have had snakes but not chams and he advised a male veiled would be easiest first cham. I think they are so beautiful and intersting and i want to do a good job of looking after him. his name is George. :)
 
The temps are usually around 222-25C in the cage and 30-32C under the heat lamp, we seemed to have a freak temperature yesterday, but i have lowered the lights a little to keep it down. its at about 30C under the lamp now. We are still curious to the sex of the cham. He/she has also had 2 calcium shots today and we have been given Visorbin to give him/her every day for a week. Other than that they said he/she is in good health, although now they have hidden down the back of the ficus! Glad the tank looks good -we bought the best the place had!
 
Eric Adrignola said:
Was the tunnel towards the front? If so, he may have been trying to crawl through the glass, and instead dug a tunnel in the substrate.
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But the animal turned around in the tunnel, as a female would do to deposit eggs.
I agree that it does not appear to be a veiled chameleon, I still think it's a female and ready to lay eggs.

You need a bucket with at least 10 inches of damp play sand or soil for her to dig the tunnel.
The medium needs to be damp enough to hold the shape of the tunnel without collapsing. Think of making sand castles.
In my opinion this needs to happen very soon.

-Brad
 
I am curious as to why you guys don't think it is a Veiled??? It is quite colorful, but I have seen colorful females before-casque size also makes me think it is female. The picture of the foot shows a bump-but it looks to be off center-hopefully we can get better pics soon.
 
What makes me suspect it's not a veiled is that strong horizontal stripe.
I have been comparing the animal in question to other chameleons and I can't find a picture of a veiled with that coloration.
I checked it against the only two photos I have of arabicus, and it's not that either.
Still searching ...

africanus? Still not quite right, but the horizontal bar is there.

-Brad
 
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Ok, getting really confused now! We have been keeping the viv at levels for what we assumed is a veiled, and he/she seems to be happy enough. We had just come back from picking her up at the vets so hence not the usual colours as a little unhappy. Had also had two calcium jabs. I wouldnt be happy either! :) We put her in the viv, and she went straight down the bottom and started digging at the back of the ficus (made sure it was damp enough to hold itself) and has stayed there all night. can only see a coiled tail now. We have also put a large bucket with aquarium sand in which is also damp enough to hold itself.

With regards to the first tunnel, there were actually a few little holes dug right down to the bottom but were maybe 4cms. The actual tunnel was dug facing into the cage. she has never tried to get out of the cage since we had her. And does not like being handled!

Due to not liking attention, its hard to take pics, but as you mention the lump Juliers, do you see why we thought it was a male? Definately has bumps, but like i said, not as pronounced as the spur that was shown.

The chams relaxed colours are pale green, with pale yellow rectangles along the length of the body and white racing stripe down the side.
 
I still think it is a female Veiled-lets see with this digging if there end up being eggs-then we will know for sure! :)
 
Ok - I JUST realized that you posted pics on the bottom of page 3!

Seriously, it's a male veiled, color, casque, pattern, tarsal spur. But the behavior is very muchlike a female laying eggs. For my own sanity, and ability to identify males and females 100% accuratly, I hope this thing doesn't lay any eggs!
 
Eric-I would have said the same thing-but that is a weird lookinig spur if it isn't just the picture! The digging thing is just too strange-and the immediate digging when put back in the cage-that is just all female. All that and the girly-casque!
 
I know - I've seen females with male patterns, but NOT spurs. I'm not liking this thread...not at all... things shouldn't be weird like this. black and white, right and wrong... when it comes to sexing veiled chameleons, it's supposed to be easy: spur? Male. no spur? female... What are they now, Freaking melleri!?!?!
 
Haha, leave it to my animals to upset the status quo! I already have a hermaphrodite pet rat (seriously!). We will try to take some more pictures of the heel as soon as i can get he/she/it out of the hole that has been dug at the back of the tank under the ficus.

On another note, any tips on how to administer medicine without too much stress?
 
I share your confusion as well, Emma.
I got mine a weird chameleon as well.
He is a 5 month old panther. Already has a blue barring and a male like rostral but with little bump. After shedding, a bottom half portion of him is showing a female coloration (brown and pink).

As far as medicine, are you talking about injection?
 
No, the medicine is Visorbin liquid i have hand feed to him/her. vet told me i may have to be a little rough, but obviously after the last few days i am a little reluctant to cause any more stress!

Came home from work to find him/her basking, but there is a very deep hole down the back of the ficus, about 8" deep, so as soon as i can reach in i will have a check and see if there is anything in there.

As for the picture of the spur, my hands were shaking slightly, but that is how it looks, it doesnt look different in the picture. We will try to get a better one for you all to have a look at.

I do find it funny that even though they are meant to be easy to sex, this one is holding on to his/her modesty! :)
 
Have managed to take a couple more heel pictures. Is this a tarsal spur or a funny heel bone?
 
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