my cham is showing many different symptoms and not sure how to treat him, please help

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Hello All,
Thanks in advance for any replies i may get. One month ago i purchased a cb cross ambalobe/ambanja of about 6 months old. He looked real nice to start and very healthy. I bought him at a reptile convention from a very credible breeder with a great rep. As soon as i took him hime he did eat and drink well. He shed within a week and i was very pleased with his quick growth and health.

The following week was a little different. I didnt notice him eating as much but he was drinking plenty. he developed some discharge in his left eye that took him three days to clear. these three days were very stressful for him and changed his entire dameaner. He then became lathagic over the next week not moving much, and not eating at all.

I spoke with the breeder and he suggested to see a vet. The vets near me charge 250.00 to walk in the door. Needless to say since i just spent about 1000 in setting him up and buying the little guy. right now i cannot afford to have him seen. my breeder was then, very helpful and suggested some home remedies. I put him on a 5 day, 30 minute "shower". not directly under water but under a constant mist for the 30 minutes. these seemed to work great for clearing his eye out. His eye is not yet 100% but it is at 90% healed and seems to be fully functional. In the interum he was not eating and begining to get skinny so i was forced to assist feed him. I have him eating from my hand about 3-4 crickets a day.

Now the newest symptom is that he is not drinking and his crest has gone concave. his saliva is thicker than normal. i have a dripper going and misting the cage often. I have read a bit and sounds like this might all be a resporatory infection. Does anyone know if i can see him through this without taking him to the vet.

His enclosure is 24x24x48 temp is at 85-90 day, 70 night and is kept immaculate.

He is not on the brink of death but if i dont continue the hand feeding and intense care he would definataly kick the bucket within a week or two due to starvation.
please advise anything you would think that could get him back on his own please.
 
Hello All,
Thanks in advance for any replies i may get. One month ago i purchased a cb cross ambalobe/ambanja of about 6 months old. He looked real nice to start and very healthy. I bought him at a reptile convention from a very credible breeder with a great rep. As soon as i took him hime he did eat and drink well. He shed within a week and i was very pleased with his quick growth and health.

The following week was a little different. I didnt notice him eating as much but he was drinking plenty. he developed some discharge in his left eye that took him three days to clear. these three days were very stressful for him and changed his entire dameaner. He then became lathagic over the next week not moving much, and not eating at all.

I spoke with the breeder and he suggested to see a vet. The vets near me charge 250.00 to walk in the door. Needless to say since i just spent about 1000 in setting him up and buying the little guy. right now i cannot afford to have him seen. my breeder was then, very helpful and suggested some home remedies. I put him on a 5 day, 30 minute "shower". not directly under water but under a constant mist for the 30 minutes. these seemed to work great for clearing his eye out. His eye is not yet 100% but it is at 90% healed and seems to be fully functional. In the interum he was not eating and begining to get skinny so i was forced to assist feed him. I have him eating from my hand about 3-4 crickets a day.

Now the newest symptom is that he is not drinking and his crest has gone concave. his saliva is thicker than normal. i have a dripper going and misting the cage often. I have read a bit and sounds like this might all be a resporatory infection. Does anyone know if i can see him through this without taking him to the vet.

His enclosure is 24x24x48 temp is at 85-90 day, 70 night and is kept immaculate.

He is not on the brink of death but if i dont continue the hand feeding and intense care he would definataly kick the bucket within a week or two due to starvation.
please advise anything you would think that could get him back on his own please.

Oh boy. friend, he is on the brink of death IMO. sorry to be so blunt. MBD perchance? what's your UVB situation? have you tried all the vets in the herp-vet connection? 250 just to walk in? all of them? really? where do you live?

I would:
--try all the vets in the herp-vet connection listing (and try other listings too -- run a SEARCH for "vets in my area" in the forum)
--fill out the "how to ask for help form" SEARCH for this as well please and fill her out.
--take pics and post them
 
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IMHO you need to take it to a vet. Its not going to last much longer if you don't solve the problem of what's wrong with him.

Can you post some pictures please?

What specific supplements do you use and how often for each?
What specifically do you feed the insects? The chameleon?
What brand and type (compact, spiral, long linear, etc.) UVB light are you using and does the light from it pass through glass or plastic?

Unless there are obvious signs of MBD we can't diagnose it.
The thickened saliva could be from dehydration...but it could just as easily be a number of other things.

What all did the breeder suggest?
 
If you are by chance in north Texas, (Arlington convention center had the NARBC show a month ago) there is a good vet at the Preston Road animal hospital that waves the exam fee for first time pets. I was able to get my panther in for a checkup and a fecal for $28. They are on the herp vet connection.

http://www.herpvetconnection.com/

Dallas
Sue Chastain, Clint Chastain, & Cheryl Pfeffer, DVM
Preston Road Animal Hospital
6060 Lyndon B. Johnson Fwy
Dallas, TX 75240
Tel: (972) 239-1309
[Website]
 
Thanks for the quick replies. I will post a couple of pictures that I took tonight. The enclosure is all screen. And I am using a 5.0 Reptisun UVB. I use two supplements. One is calcium and the other was suggested by the breeder(don't recall at the moment) I supplement every other feeding, dusting lighly. Look out for the pics in the next fee minutes, just need to figure out how to post them. Also I am in long island. There are Very few chameleon specialist in my area. I have never used a reptile vet in all my years keeping reptiles so around here there is an initial charge for the first visit. Price is @ 250-275. If anyone is close to me that knows or recomends someone, that would be really helpful.
 
Since he seems to be lacking nutrients at the moment Id get him some pedialyte as soon as possible.

Make sure you drip it into his mouth and not squirt it in as it could mess with his lungs.

Also make sure you are gutloading your crickets. At this point he needs all the nutrients he can get.

Then get some pics up of your enclosure and the cham.
 
heres 2 pics of him tonight and 1 of the enclosure. also thought nit would good to mention that since i have been assist feeding for the last three days, he is no longer lathargic and pretty active.
 

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Ok, well the good news is, from what I see, he is still recoverable.

However, I still believe there is an underlying problem somewhere in the cage.

My first point of concern lies with the placement near the window.

Low humidity may be the problem. Get a humidity reading.

Secondly, make sure your cham receives UVB at the same time he is basking.

I cant tell from this pic, but he may be only be getting heat when he basks.

Oh, and get some more live plants.
 
Ok sounds some what positive. cool.
I will move the enclosure away from the window. however the windows are all brand new installed and high quality, so i dont think that there could be any draft but i will still head your warning and move em. i will get more live plants, any particular types? The lighting fixture has a uvb right next to the basking bulb, its an all-in-one. i dont think its the lighting. ive had really good experiences with my other chams with this lighting scheme. What would you suggest in treating him? Thanks again very much for all your help
 
what type of pedialyte?? the kind for kids?? any particular flavor?
By the way.... is it normal for him to have gotten so light colored through all this. his colors were very green and blue prior to getting sick, now he is mostly demonstrating reds and yellows and is very light. so sorry for asking all these questions, i never had a chameleon do so poorly.
 
All i can suggest are some home remedies.

Its still hard to tell the actual problem and the only thing that is known is his lack of eating/drinking.

Id say regardless of the medical issue, if any, he definitely needs pedialyte for rehydration and well gutloaded feeders.

Gutload your feeders tonight , so he can eat good tomorrow.

P.S. no flavor pedyalyte. I think its the one for babies and its clear. Ill look for a pic hold up
 
I'm concerned that the dripper might not be dripping onto leaves and so, not be offering the best drinking opportunities. While some chameleons will go to the top and drink right off the dripper, some really want to drink off leaves that have just been dripped on....Hopefully I'm wrong on that.
 
I asked "What specific supplements do you use and how often for each?"...you said..."One is calcium and the other was suggested by the breeder(don't recall at the moment) I supplement every other feeding, dusting lightly"...so I assume that all there is in the supplement is calcium....I'm trying to find out if what's in them in the way of phosphorus, calcium, D3 and vitamin A.

I asked..."What specifically do you feed the insects? The chameleon?"...since you didn't mention what you feed to the chameleon or the insects I can't tell you if there's a problem with that either.

I also asked..."What all did the breeder suggest?"....???

No obvious signs of MBD...but there could still be other nutrient problems.
 
thanks all, the supplements are retical cal, and reptical herptivite.
i have only had him for a month so i have not ventured far in the way of foods. gutloaded crickets (gutloading with potatoe, carrots, and zilla brand gutload.) and since he has needed my assistance in eating i have given him a couple of wax worms in hopes that the fat would help his thin condition. In one of the earlier posts i mentioned that the breeder suggested one week of 30 minute mistings, the aim was to clear, what seemed to be an eye infection as well as offer good hydration. I am on the last day of that and it seemed to be very afective in clearing the eye issue. he also recomended another live plant which i am going to pick up today. This morning he has had one very gutloaded cricket and a fat waxy. also would you also suggest the pedialyte remedy, if you (kinyonga) back up chamero on this then i will go forward with it. Thanks you guys or gals are really helpful
 
awesome a buddy of mine recommended a vet he knew ill have him seen for 100 bux plus antibiotic. ill let you guys know how it goes. thanks
 
Wow-$1000 to set up? A mixed locale panther really should not fetch much more than $175 and I don't really see where the rest of the money went-and the Vets are unreasonably expensive. It sounds like maybe too much showering may have caused a URI, and that is going to need to be treated by a vet. I hope the Vet thing works out for you. Is you UVB compact by any chance? That may have caused the eye issue in the first place.
 
I hope the vet doesnt get me for more than 100 but we will see on tuesday. yeah i know 1k might sound steep but i spent 300 on the cham. 200 on the stand, @175 on the decor and 100 on lighting fixture, 50 on bulbs. almost 1000. i love having chams and really want to see him make it. just not sure if its easier to start over with a healthier, older cham. Can you share your source foe cross breeds @175? Thats a good price.
 
I can easily see how someone could spend $1,00 on the initial process, especially having gone "panther".

Later, after you've been dealing with chameleons for awhile, you'll learn the cheaper alternatives.

Your next chameleon will not be such a huge financial investment (and, there will be another....it's an addiction).
 
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