Need some help ASAP pls help I'm new

[thenewone]

Ok here's my story I bought a panther chameleon and I was extremely excited I bought a who set up which is exo terra with lights and everything .......z( glass cage ) I had him for about 3 weeks then his thingy came out and would not come in .so I put ky jelly everyday for about 8 days but he continue to eat and be very energetic no problem with him... I took him to the vet and he put it in again he said he did a surgery ( so he said )I got him back today and his all swollen and his thingy came back out but there's no sign of stiches or any thing and I'm wondering if anyone knows about how the surgery or how to tell if he really did do a surgery .... I took him to a reptile store and the guy told me that this vet is a rip off ....... Pls help he also said that his thingy usually came out sometimes for weeks is this true pls help if u need more info pls lmk thanks

 

[chameleoman]

can you post pics of the setup and him and fill this out


Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
Location - Where are you geographically located?

Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.

 

[lslcronk]

I agree we need more info but as a general rule of thumb...nothing that is supposed to be INSIDE should be sticking OUTSIDE for any length of time let alone weeks!! I think you need both a new vet (you should have have to guess if your animal had surgery...this is something you should have discussed at length with the vet, agreed to a presented procedure and have documented after care and discharge explaining how the procedure went) and I think you need a new reptile guy!! Please fill out the How to Ask for Help Form and start researching a new vet in your area...they need to have herp experience at least, ideally cham experience...I am a vet tech and wont be taking Claude to the vet I work for because she knows little to nothing about chams!

 

[thenewone]

Info

can you post pics of the setup and him and fill this out


Chameleon Infoanther chameleon ,
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?male ,6 months and I had him for 5 weeks
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? .... 2 to 3 times a week for about 10 mins ...
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?crickets ,worms and silk worms ,
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?2 times a week ,fluckers calcium
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking? I use a mist and a waterfall
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. White with very little orange Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?no
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?glass
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?zoomed light 10.0 with a ceramic bulb for heat
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? 90-95 Lowest overnight temp? 87How do you measure these temps?digital read out
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?fake plants
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
Location - Where are you geographically located?Texas Houston

Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.

 

[jannb]

Welcome to the forums. I'm sorry to here that you cham is not doing well. You need to change quite a few things in the way that you keep him if you want him to survive and be healthy. I am attaching my blog below and it will give you info on what all you need and links with pictures of the items and where you can buy them. Most supplies that you need for chameleons can't be found in your local pet store. You cham needs a good cham vet right way. There's a good one in your area. I'll get you a link to the vet too.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blo...-keepers-young-veiled-panther-chameleons.html

Link to chameleon vet below.
http://www.gcvs.com/

 

[thenewone]

Update

Thank u for the info ..I have try to do the best as I can ..I took him to the new vet and I have a question I need advise in other words he aid he can try to put it in and stitch and maybe it will stay in but he said there's a possibility that it won't that maybe he has to amputate and I'm wondering if anyone has had an amputation of there chameleons thingy ...and if he be ok after that ... I realize I won't be able to breed him but that's fine I just want him to be ok ...pls help me with my decision pls I don't want to hurt him more than it needs to thanks

 

[carol5208]

yes, they can amputate and he can live without it. You just would not be able to breed him.

 

[thenewone]

Update

Thank u for the info ..I have try to do the best as I can ..I took him to the new vet and I have a question I need advise in other words he aid he can try to put it in and stitch and maybe it will stay in but he said there's a possibility that it won't that maybe he has to amputate and I'm wondering if anyone has had an amputation of there chameleons thingy ...and if he be ok after that ... I realize I won't be able to breed him but that's fine I just want him to be ok ...pls help me with my decision pls I don't want to hurt him more than it needs to thanks

 

[Olimpia]

What your chameleon has is a prolapse of one of his hemipenes (one of his two penises) then, according to your vet. He will do just fine without a hemipene, so if a stitch won't fix the problem for ever then an amputation will take care of the problem and he should have no further issues.

 

[EvilLost]

can you post pics of the setup and him and fill this out


Chameleon Infoanther chameleon ,
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?male ,6 months and I had him for 5 weeks
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? .... 2 to 3 times a week for about 10 mins ...
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?crickets ,worms and silk worms ,
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?2 times a week ,fluckers calcium what about calcium+D3? multivitamin? you need to get both of these supplements as well
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking? I use a mist and a waterfall
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. White with very little orange Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?no
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?glass Glass is (generally) bad, but you said exo-terra which also means it is probably too small (or will be too small really really soon). What are the dimensions?? Also realize glass tanks hold heat a little better and are useful in cold climates...but since you are in texas, this can be working against you overheating your chams tank on really hot days.....EDIT: An Adult Male Panther needs a 2foot x 2foot x 4foot tall cage (for each panther)
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?zoomed light 10.0 with a ceramic bulb for heat 10.0 is too high UVB for most uses, you should be using 5.0. Is your ceramic bulb on 24/7? They need to have a temperature drop at night; use a basking bulb during the day and (ONLY IF your temps are below 60F) you can have the ceramic on at night
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? 90-95 Lowest overnight temp? 87How do you measure these temps?digital read out I'm surprised nobody has said anything about this but your temps are WAY TOO HIGH!!!! During the day the hottest spot should be around ~85F (roughly with a range of 75-85). 90F is too hot. and that is at the HOTTEST place in his cage...and at night everything can go down by 10F...so about 65-75F at night range
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity? you ignored this question...have you even considered your humidity? it is quite important
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?fake plants live plants will help your humidity go up a bit too, so consider that
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
Location - Where are you geographically located?Texas Houston

Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.

Just a few corrections to your husbandry you might want to consider...

 

[Rosie42892]

EvilLost has given you some very helpful information. It seems as though you purchased this chameleon on a whim, which many people do. They are amazing! What is important is that you do more research now (better late then never) because if you do not fix these very serious problems, many of these issues can and eventually will prove fatal for your chameleon. This forum is a GREAT place to learn, I hope you take advantage of it! Good luck!

 

[thenewone]

Update guys ...

I took buddy to a new vet ..... And he said that he was going to put stiches and try to fix it that way... And so far his doing ok ....his new set up arrived Monday ...which is full wire mesh also purchased a eheim stream for irrigation and changed the bulb from a 10.0 to a 5.0 but still have couple of questions if u could help me out ....first question is has anyone had gotten their chameleon stiches in one side of the chameleon penus . And will this effect the chameleons bow movements .. Or can they use the restroom with other side???

Question 2 can u pls help me with his diet and how and when to feed him .......

Thanks guys

 

[Olimpia]

I can't help you with the stitches question, although I assume the answer is yes, he can still poop normally. Hopefully someone who knows more about that will chime in.

As for his food, since he is still a young panther he can eat I'd say... something like 8-10 crickets a day. As he gets older you may notice him not wanting to eat as much, so don't worry if by 8 months he's eating 5-7 crickets, and then 3-4 by a year. I have one who would eat until he burst, so not all of them do this but some will slow down with age.

You can also feed him (in addition to crickets) anything like superworms, hornworms, butterworms, phoenix/calci worms, roaches (like dubia or discoids), mantids, grasshoppers, etc. Most of these are easily available online from places like Mulberryfarms.com. What you want is to use at least 3 species of feeder, although 4-5 would be best. Superworms and roaches are super easy to keep and breed and they never die, so I always have those on hand and then order in crickets and anything else. So at the minimum mine get 3 insect types, but more like 4+ depending on what I order. Variety is important! Do as much as you can afford.

The insects like superworms, roaches, and crickets all need to be gutloaded. An excellent pre-made gutload that has both food and moisture is the Rapashy Bug Burger. It's a powder that you mix with water and it forms a jello type food that lasts a month in the fridge and longer in the freezer. Other dry types can be something like Cricket Crack, but you'd need to add in fresh dark green lettuce and other fruits/veggies to provide the moisture and extra nutrition. I use the bug burger if I'm feeling lazy or forgot to go to the store! lol

I think that's all I can think to say off the top of my head. Ask away if you need anything else.

 

[thenewone]

Diet

Thank u so much for the help