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[Endlessness]

Sup.

Yeah so I figured I'd give this whole "chameleon" thing a shot. They seemed like pretty cool animals because they change colors and all. To be honest though, I really just wanted a boa constrictor but my girl said she wouldn't be able to live with a snake so I had to settle for these little chameleon things.

Anyway I decided it would be more interesting if I got two of them instead of one. So I got a female and a male. I actually got them from two different sources though; one from Petco and the other online. I got the one from Petco first (which was said to be female) and then a week later I got the male shipped to me.

That's when the problems started. When the male got here it was much smaller than the female. I figured it would be okay anyway and threw him on in there with the female. The female begin walking over the male and he kept falling to the bottom of the cage. Then at one point the female ran over to the male and took a bite at the tip of it's tail. Come next week and his tail turned black and looked like that guy's arm in that movie Requiem for a Dream. So I looked online and someone said to put some antimicrobial wound gel on it and it would heal up.

When I got back from Walgreens I tried to pick up the male but he kept hissing at me and then he went to bite me. Naturally I responded back and threw him against the wall. It sounded like it hit pretty hard, but if something comes at me (I don't care what it is) in a threatening way then I'm gonna respond.

Anyways the end of the tail ended up falling off but it looks like the black stuff is still spreading up the tail towards it's body. Also ever since I threw him against the wall he's been walking real slow and doesn't move a lot or open his eyes a lot. He did stop hissing at me though.

As for the female, well she's doing great. She eats good, poops good, drinks good and comes to me when I feed it. She's growing fast too, proud of her. The male started turning white though and she keeps biting at him, which worries me because she might get the same infection he did.

So basically my question is, what do I do about the blackness spreading on Atog (I named him Atog). Should I be concerned? Also how do I make him eat and move again like normal, because ever since I threw him against the wall he hasn't eaten at all really.

Thanks for the help.

- Endlessness

 

[Klinger #4077]

Is this a joke? I really can't tell if you're being serious or not by the way you've explained things. However it sounds like you may not have researched them before you actually got them. Do you know what species they are? Do you have any pictures you could show us?

 

[Remkon]

 

[Replife]

Is this a joke? I really can't tell if you're being serious or not by the way you've explained things. However it sounds like you may not have researched them before you actually got them. Do you know what species they are? Do you have any pictures you could show us?

He said he got one from Petco so I'm going to assume they are veiled's and I truly believe this person is not joking and is a 100% pansy ass that should not own any animal this is sick a very disturbing i own many reptiles most of which have bitten me at least once and I have never abused any of them as they are animals and I'm a grown man first of all they should not be kept together second a vet visit is much needed I'm so freaking pissed this is the most disgusting thing I've ever see on this forum I pray the OP. Does the right thing and gets this guy some professional help

 

[Remkon]

He said he got one from Petco so I'm going to assume they are veiled's and I truly believe this person is not joking and is a 100% pansy ass that should not own any animal this is sick a very disturbing i own many reptiles most of which have bitten me at least once and I have never abused any of them as they are animals and I'm a grown man first of all they should not be kept together second a vet visit is much needed I'm so freaking pissed this is the most disgusting thing I've ever see on this forum I pray the OP. Does the right thing and gets this guy some professional help

Either he's trolling and stupid or he's just stupid and beyond help...
So either way there is no use in responding to this topic in a way that will help the OP's (imaginary) chameleons, the sooner they die the sooner they are saved from this disturbed mind.

I think it's a troll, even tho the stupidity of mankind never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Replife]

Either he's trolling and stupid or he's just stupid and beyond help...
So either way there is no use in responding to this topic in a way that will help the OP's (imaginary) chameleons, the sooner they die the sooner they are saved from this disturbed mind.

I think it's a troll, even tho the stupidity of mankind never ceases to amaze me.

I really hope your right

 

[Endlessness]

I'm not "trolling" or stupid. I'm actually very intelligent.

Look. I even went out of my way to take pictures just to prove to you all that I really do have chameleons.



See I do have chameleons. Also the bigger one has turned light green. Why. That close up is of Atog though. Is he gonna be alright or what? Also if he dies will the bigger one just eat his remains? I don't like touching dead stuff that stinks.

- Endlessness

(Also. I had to poke the little one in the head a couple times to get him to open his eyes. They're usually closed. Figured I'd share that as well to help you all figure out what to do with it. Thanks.)

 

[Joseph 1233]

I'm not "trolling" or stupid. I'm actually very intelligent.

Look. I even went out of my way to take pictures just to prove to you all that I really do have chameleons.

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See I do have chameleons. Also the bigger one has turned light green. Why. That close up is of Atog though. Is he gonna be alright or what? Also if he dies will the bigger one just eat his remains? I don't like touching dead stuff that stinks.

- Endlessness

(Also. I had to poke the little one in the head a couple times to get him to open his eyes. They're usually closed. Figured I'd share that as well to help you all figure out what to do with it. Thanks.)

You have to get a seperate cage for the male or it will probably die they don't do well together you should return it or give it to someone who can take care of it if you can't.

 

[Remkon]

So you can google images, good on you!
If you really have chameleons you are just a sick twisted mind with chameleons (well, at least for a while longer).
Where is the 'black' spreading over your male in the photo?
I also can't say for sure from these photos but they look both female to me.

And then your stupidity:
- You are on a forum for chameleons and claim you throw your chameleon and poke it with a stick, either you are really stupid to post this or a bad troll that lacks finesse.
- You ask ridiculously stupid questions like "will the bigger one just eat his remains?", again either you are ... well at this point... beyond stupid or just a bad troll that lacks finesse.
- Your style of writing is provocative in general, you aim to provoke responses and not of the kind that would help the chameleons.

Again, you are just a sick twisted mind and a bad troll or just so stupid it's dangerous.

 

[Endlessness]

Well I've never.

First of all I just wanted to go ahead and let you know this: Out of all my years in real life and being on the internet, I have NEVER encountered such hostility and ignorance from someone labeled as an "Enthusiast" on a forum or even a respected individual in their field. But I've been waiting to tell you ever since your first arrogantly insulting response to a simple cry out for help post from a bold newcomer like myself to the mysterious and interesting world of chameleons, that you are the most conceited person that I've ever met in my life.

Even after providing pictures of my lovely little creatures that I care so much for (so much to come to one of the only chameleon forums filled apparently with nothing but jerks) for respected and knowledgable feedback.. you go out of your way (to not only not help ME) to attempt to publicly humiliate and crucify me as some stupid imbecile who is trying to play some game or something (you must be really sick in the head to think that by the way). I've never EVER been treated like this by another human being and to be quite honest feel like I deserve not only an apology, but that you get some sort of suspension or penalty on this forum for being such a terrible person.

Besides.. It seems like YOU are the only one who thinks the way you do. Everyone else seems pretty confident that these are my chameleons and at least offer some type of advice. So your argument on my "stupidity" is completely invalid. I'll also be glad to post more pictures of them, as well as a close up of the smaller ones tail to show the infection in the morning. For I have to go to bed for I have work in the morning. It's what good honest hard working people do to be able to provide for their animals and loved ones.

Something you apparently wouldn't know about.

• EDIT: I WENT BACK AND TOOK PICTURES OF ATOG'S TAIL BEFORE I WENT TO BED BECAUSE I PRAY TO THE LORD THAT SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY HAS A HEART UNLIKE YOU WE WILL BE A RESPECTFUL HUMAN BEING AND SHARE THEIR LOVE AND KNOWLEDGE ON THE CHAMELEON CREATURES TO ME ON HOW TO MAKE IT BETTER. UNLIKE YOU WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS NO TRUE LOVE AND COMPASSION FOR MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE FOR CHAMELEONS. I CARE ABOUT ATOG, I BOUGHT HIM WITH MY OWN HARD EARNED MONEY.

 

[Remkon]

You want some advise?
Geez, what would I do with an injured animal???? MAYBE I would take it to a qualified VET...?!?!

Some more advise?
Give the chameleons to someone that can and will care for them properly and never, ever take anything breathing in your care ever again!

My point on your stupidity is still very accurate, hence my previously made points.

There is no helping you, you are clearly not qualified to care for these animals or anything living... The way you describe your care is appalling and any sane person would be ashamed about it instead of posting it on a forum.

I still call troll... a troll that tortures animals to get attention possibly...
I will abandon this topic now, I don't want to feed the trolls any more.

 

[Peachypink]

Well I've never.

First of all I just wanted to go ahead and let you know this: Out of all my years in real life and being on the internet, I have NEVER encountered such hostility and ignorance from someone labeled as an "Enthusiast" on a forum or even a respected individual in their field. But I've been waiting to tell you ever since your first arrogantly insulting response to a simple cry out for help post from a bold newcomer like myself to the mysterious and interesting world of chameleons, that you are the most conceited person that I've ever met in my life.

Even after providing pictures of my lovely little creatures that I care so much for (so much to come to one of the only chameleon forums filled apparently with nothing but jerks) for respected and knowledgable feedback.. you go out of your way (to not only not help ME) to attempt to publicly humiliate and crucify me as some stupid imbecile who is trying to play some game or something (you must be really sick in the head to think that by the way). I've never EVER been treated like this by another human being and to be quite honest feel like I deserve not only an apology, but that you get some sort of suspension or penalty on this forum for being such a terrible person.

Besides.. It seems like YOU are the only one who thinks the way you do. Everyone else seems pretty confident that these are my chameleons and at least offer some type of advice. So your argument on my "stupidity" is completely invalid. I'll also be glad to post more pictures of them, as well as a close up of the smaller ones tail to show the infection in the morning. For I have to go to bed for I have work in the morning. It's what good honest hard working people do to be able to provide for their animals and loved ones.

Something you apparently wouldn't know about.

• EDIT: I WENT BACK AND TOOK PICTURES OF ATOG'S TAIL BEFORE I WENT TO BED BECAUSE I PRAY TO THE LORD THAT SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY HAS A HEART UNLIKE YOU WE WILL BE A RESPECTFUL HUMAN BEING AND SHARE THEIR LOVE AND KNOWLEDGE ON THE CHAMELEON CREATURES TO ME ON HOW TO MAKE IT BETTER. UNLIKE YOU WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS NO TRUE LOVE AND COMPASSION FOR MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE FOR CHAMELEONS. I CARE ABOUT ATOG, I BOUGHT HIM WITH MY OWN HARD EARNED MONEY.

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If you are really willing to do what needs to be done then the first thing you need to do is get them into separate cages immediately. Chams can not be kept together, EVER. As you have already seen, they get aggressive towards each other. The only time they are introduced is when breeding and the female has to be receptive and willing. They need to not even see each other, so something need to be put between their cages to block the line of sight.

Second, you need to get that male to the vet. I'm pretty sure I can see a spur on one of the pictures that says it's a male but a picture of the back of his back feet will let us know for sure. He needs to go to the vet to have his tail looked at and make sure he doesn't have any broken bones. Of course he is walking slower...YOU THREW HIM INTO A WALL. Cams are VERY fragile. They do not like to be held and all he saw was a predator trying to pick him up, of course he is going to try and bite. Hold steady and don't jerk away or throw him. He's little.
Keeping his eyes closed is a sign of illness, it could be because he's got some internal injury from being thrown, another reason to get him to the vet.

On top of all of that, you need to read the care sheets that will give you what you need to care for them properly. Don't skip parts, read all os it and follow it to the letter. If you are going to have a chance with these guys, you're husbandry has to be spot on. Then I would suggest filling out the how to ask for help form that is in the Health Clinic forum and let us help you get things right.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/caresheets/veiled/

BOTH enclosures will need a lot more foliage and branches, they need lots of pathways and places to hide. They need plants that wind up and through the middle of the cage not just down the sides. Live is better for veilds as they like to eat the plants.

I am shocked at some of the things you have said and the way you have said them. I have never seen someone so flippant about treating an animal this way. DO NOT throw them, DO NOT poke them with a stick, DO NOT have them in the same enclosure. Like I said, I am shocked but I am willing to help. But please use common sense and realize these are fragile creatures with VERY specific needs.

 

[Peachypink]

Also, females WILL lay eggs wether they have been bread or not. You need to start researching having a lay bin in her enclosure and available to her at all times.

 

[Nursemaia]

I have no words for this thread. It's a baby and you throw it because it bit you. I suggest rehoming and therapy.

 

[Graves923]

I love this forum and it has helped me alot with my research and care for my chameleon, but....

It really annoys me seeing posts like this where you have a new chameleon owner who does little to no research on proper care and thinks they can keep one of these animals... You could take an hour to read through the articles on the resource page here on the forums to get a good idea of the level of care and responsibility that these animals need to thrive.

Seriously, this dude threw a chameleon... If someones toddler bite you, would you throw it at the wall? If you did any kind of basic research on chameleon behavior you would know that biting is an absolute last resort for them. If it gaped its mouth and hissed it most likely still would not have bitten you. Of all the times my chameleon did this I have never been bitten and certainly never got scared enough to throw my chameleon.

Give the chameleons to someone qualified to care for them. If you want a chameleon to throw at a wall some more, get a stuffed animal from the zoo.

 

[alphakenc]

May I suggest the "stuff animal" for throwing purposes n the "anger management class"
These are precious babies just like any pets
Sooooo freaking SURREAL!!!

 

[timw1]

This person is trolling for sure, do not take his/her bait. Is there an ignore user function here? Admin, please ban the troll.

 

[alphakenc]

Not even a stuff animal,Get a rock....u can even put 200 together,
Much safer!!!

 

[timw1]

Also, it looks like our troll maybe someone with username atog, who hasn't posted since 2007. The writing styles are very similar.

His/her last post on the forum:
"i was told #1 rule concerning chameleon care was to keep them seperate...."

atog, Jul 31, 2007

 

[WAMBO]

Also, it looks like our troll maybe someone with username atog, who hasn't posted since 2007. The writing styles are very similar.

His/her last post was on the forum:
"i was told #1 rule concerning chameleon care was to keep them seperate...."

atog, Jul 31, 2007

timw1 = Columbo!