Ninkylou
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It's funny, I'm a nurse and read that as Oxytocin because of the context, and only noticed after your post and went back to reread that it was typed as oxycontin. Its amazing that they eyes see what you expect them to.
Olive, today's vet visit...MORE slugs
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It's funny, I'm a nurse and read that as Oxytocin because of the context, and only noticed after your post and went back to reread that it was typed as oxycontin. Its amazing that they eyes see what you expect them to.
junglefries
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thanx ninkylou
I reread her statement before posting just to make sure too. Now at 42, i am reading all kinds of things wrong. I know for a fact, that just earlier i read two statements wrong from 4-6pm. i am getting oldddd....
I reread her statement before posting just to make sure too. Now at 42, i am reading all kinds of things wrong. I know for a fact, that just earlier i read two statements wrong from 4-6pm. i am getting oldddd....
Poptartjake
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Can slugs only develop when you try and mate a Jackson's? I ask because I too have a female Jackson's and I am only okay with having her as a female because I know Jackson's give live birth instead of laying eggs, but I have been following little Olive's whole ordeal with hopes that I never have to experience this with my baby.
little leaf
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no, it was oxytocin- lol - dont pick on me
I am so brain dead I have had the other, Oxycontin - when I had my lower spine "replaced" - that was a trip maybe I should have let her have that instead she would have been one mellow little girl 50 !!! wow- I think we are good with 27
I know this was really hard on her- she is wore out - I spoke w/ the vet this afternoon, he wants to just let her rest now, and see how she does over the next few days, and her little upper legs are so sore, she hardly moved today, she keeps holding her one leg up and waving it about- I know its really sore, but she ate, drank - but boy is she really upset if I go near her now- she has every right to be too- I hope she will forgive me
but I still think I made the right choices - this has sure been a lesson for me - I asked why so many? it could be in part due to her size ( she is a moose ) and the fact she knows Oliver is about, so her body just kept making the eggs, but with out breeding, she just kept making more- he said, even after all this, he would still let her breed in time- I am undecided on that one - but I can not even think that far ahead at this point- I really thank you all for all your support- its hard to make decisions sometimes, and it really helps when others support you on them , and even tho she about had a damn heart attack or what ever she did the first time, I am glad I took her back and got the rest of the exam, and ultrasound - she just gets so worked up , even the Dr. said Olive by far is his most dramatic client
( not so sure if that is a good thing, but that's Olive, and I love her )
little leaf
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LOL- yeah, that's what it was- I am old too -
( well, I am not OLD OLD, but I am older than you , by how far- ohhhhh we wont say ( or I can blame it on auto correct lol )
CLP
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I have been following Olive's ordeal, and just got to this latest update this morning. I hope poor Olive is finally done with her ordeal. She may be a drama queen, but WOW, is she ever a fighter. One tough little lady you have there! Good luck with her. You are both in my thoughts.
little leaf
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ready to give up - I do NOT understand this
she looks worse than she ever has now, and had 2 more slugs - I do not like at all the look on her face- she is keeping her gular area puffed out- like she ate a lemon - she is acting like she needs to lay more - now she is looking "sick" I saw those damn things in her cage - and decided to have my " break down" - I balled my eyes out - I do not know what to do with her- she just wont stop - the one looks so runny and nasty - the other is formed - dose ANYONE know ANYONE with Jax breeding understanding of the reproductive tract - I do not know if these are all from the same batch - or is she just making them non stop ? on the ultrasound, we thought we saw 5 - and she had 5 - it was hard to see stuff tho because she would not hold very still, maybe we missed these -
I had a dream last night she was "home sick" - for her forest - I am now so scared, frustrated, and I have a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach - yesterday, she did eat, but not at all with the vigor she normally has - I have not tried to feed her yet because she in in her "lay " area - I talked to my vet- she will not take a spaying at this time- but I am going to his house Friday to pic up some meds ( he is out of town, but still keeping in touch w/ me - he is the BEST !! ) but If I knew of an expert in Jax, I would send her to them - but I don't know if they would do any different than I am doing - and I dont think she would take shipping now - if anyone has ANY other ideas, I am all ears I don't know what to do anymore and I am documenting all of this in hopes it will help others , but now I feel like I am documenting her death
she looks worse than she ever has now, and had 2 more slugs - I do not like at all the look on her face- she is keeping her gular area puffed out- like she ate a lemon - she is acting like she needs to lay more - now she is looking "sick" I saw those damn things in her cage - and decided to have my " break down" - I balled my eyes out - I do not know what to do with her- she just wont stop - the one looks so runny and nasty - the other is formed - dose ANYONE know ANYONE with Jax breeding understanding of the reproductive tract - I do not know if these are all from the same batch - or is she just making them non stop ? on the ultrasound, we thought we saw 5 - and she had 5 - it was hard to see stuff tho because she would not hold very still, maybe we missed these -
I had a dream last night she was "home sick" - for her forest - I am now so scared, frustrated, and I have a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach - yesterday, she did eat, but not at all with the vigor she normally has - I have not tried to feed her yet because she in in her "lay " area - I talked to my vet- she will not take a spaying at this time- but I am going to his house Friday to pic up some meds ( he is out of town, but still keeping in touch w/ me - he is the BEST !! ) but If I knew of an expert in Jax, I would send her to them - but I don't know if they would do any different than I am doing - and I dont think she would take shipping now - if anyone has ANY other ideas, I am all ears
I don't know what to do anymore and I am documenting all of this in hopes it will help others , but now I feel like I am documenting her death Attachments
junglefries
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How many litters has she had before? By your count how many babies (slugs) is the count up to? That way we all have real world expectations as to a possibility. (I could not resist the Oxycontin joke. Actually, didn't know if you meant what you typed. I know it is expensive as the hoops i have to jump. It was the dosage i was trying to comtemplate. You are right she would have quite comfortable, unless she was opiod resistant like me, in which case she would have just laughed at it.)
How many litters has she had before? By your count how many babies (slugs) is the count up to? That way we all have real world expectations as to a possibility. (I could not resist the Oxycontin joke. Actually, didn't know if you meant what you typed. I know it is expensive as the hoops i have to jump. It was the dosage i was trying to comtemplate. You are right she would have quite comfortable, unless she was opiod resistant like me, in which case she would have just laughed at it.)
little leaf
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I have counted 29 now- she started this last Thursday -
I know you were only joking- if you can not poke fun ( especially at yourself ) you are a stick in the mud - and this whole time I have tried to stay positive, and light - but I am getting a bad feeling now- Olive has never been a "normal" chameleon - she was wild caught- then treated like total crap, a cheap, worthless "animal" in the owners eyes- she was just there to make a buck for them -well, there were WRONG - I find her very special, and a good , unique girl - I try not to support the wc sellers , but I could not see letting her die in their care ( or lack of) for my "standards" she smelled horrid when I got her, she was sick, it took a long time to get her better, this is her first "issue" since I got her better - but I just do not know what to do anymore - I have been scouring the cf for any info I can find- also the net, and I am going to call the zoo to see if they can offer any advice- don't get me wrong, I have been working very close with my vet- but if I can find more info, anyway to help her that we have not found.... right now she is so sideways on her vine, "baking " I have seen it called, to get as much heat on her belly, that is what is making me think there are more to come- I know some do this to help develop eggs - I sure hope this is NOT the case ( or this info could be wrong? but I read it on the cf - ) if anyone sees any links they think my be helpful, please pm them to me , or post them here so we can all learn - I will try to get a pic of her on her vine- she is so sideways I can not believe she can stick like that - but that also tells me she is not as weak as I thought or she could not lay like she is - I have her cage covered, with just a tiny slit to keep an eye on her -
little leaf
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CrazyChamLady13
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this is so sad I've been hoping that she would pull though. Even though I hadn't wrote anything I always looked forward to update. I'm so sorry that you and her have Bern going though this!
Psychobunny
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I keep coming back to this thread with fingers crossed for poor little Olive, she looks so sweet and helpless
Its almost been a week!!
I cant believe she could still have anything left inside to come out!!??
Its almost been a week!!
I cant believe she could still have anything left inside to come out!!??
laurie
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Thank you. Cheryl thought Olive would be better off with me, but I did not agree. I am available by phone to her 24/7 yes, 24/7 our husband do wonder about us. Anyway I share all I know, call people with lots of jackson knowledge, but that is all I can do. I think Cheryl is doing a great job. We just all need to need encouraging her.
junglefries
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Weird thought. i know jax aren't supposed to store sperm, but it sounds like she is stuck in production. like she can't stop fertilizing eggs. hormones stuck on repeat. i am not sure how long this has been going on, but it has been posting for a while now. makes you wonder, if previous bad care has come back to haunt her?
Weird thought. i know jax aren't supposed to store sperm, but it sounds like she is stuck in production. like she can't stop fertilizing eggs. hormones stuck on repeat. i am not sure how long this has been going on, but it has been posting for a while now. makes you wonder, if previous bad care has come back to haunt her?
Poptartjake
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I was about to post the opposite. I remember reading somewhere that Jax DO store sperm and thus can produce more clutches even months after the original instance of matting has occurred. That is the only thing that I can think of, but with the highest count of slugs being around 40+, we also have to consider the possibility that this is just an extremely large clutch and hopefully, a one time thing.
EDIT: Okay, I was wrong in that they don't NORMALLY store sperm, but it is possible. So, I wouldn't count this out as a cause for whats going on. Hopefully, the sick-like symptoms she is displaying is just from exhaustion.
