other reptiles in with chameleons??

leela said:
i just dont know really??
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Leela, are you kidding? Why did you even ask for advice if you are going to say "I don't know...." every time you get a response from someone?

Ultimately it is your chameleon and you can do what you feel is right, but the advice you have gotten so far is what you ought to be listening to. Housing chameleons together is a bad idea. You have heard that from some very experienced keepers. Why even bother questioning it? If you choose to house them together, you will find out at the expense of the animals what you should have found out by listening to the answers you are getting here.
 
in the wild chameleons have huge territories to themselves and males-females only interact when they breed. After a female has been bred they will start to have problems.

since a chameleon has a huge home territory in the wild we attempt to mimic this by giving them screen cages that are atleast 4ft tall so they have plenty of room to move around. If you introduce another chameleon into that enclosure they will establish their individual territory so it will basically cut that in half. The chameleons will constantly fight for more territory because what you have given them is to small and it will be a bad situation for both chameleons.

You, however, are the owner of the chameleon and have the right to do whatever you want. Everyone has advised you against it, but if you want to do it go for it. You will shortly see one chameleon establishing a dominance and the other chameleon in a corner showing very stressed colors. If this continues the dominant chameleon will strive and the other will eventually die due to lack of a basking spot, food, and water.

Good luck though.
 
It all makes me wonder if she is listening to any other advice as far as lighting, caging, and temps. I believe that the current animal probably has MBD, had a nasty fall awhile back, and is jumpy and easily stressed according to past posts.

My thought-PLEASE DON'T ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU REFUSE TO LISTEN.

I am suprised your animal is still alive.
 
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just to prove the who no thing i have a male veiled and and turtle in the same room. At first the Cham could see the turtle ( it was like 4 feet away ) and the cham would not go on that side of the cage and would just hide in his leaves, once i made a visual barrier between them the cham was much happier ( and colorful :p)
 
Rocky said:
in the wild chameleons have huge territories to themselves and males-females only interact when they breed. After a female has been bred they will start to have problems.

since a chameleon has a huge home territory in the wild we attempt to mimic this by giving them screen cages that are atleast 4ft tall so they have plenty of room to move around. If you introduce another chameleon into that enclosure they will establish their individual territory so it will basically cut that in half. The chameleons will constantly fight for more territory because what you have given them is to small and it will be a bad situation for both chameleons.

You, however, are the owner of the chameleon and have the right to do whatever you want. Everyone has advised you against it, but if you want to do it go for it. You will shortly see one chameleon establishing a dominance and the other chameleon in a corner showing very stressed colors. If this continues the dominant chameleon will strive and the other will eventually die due to lack of a basking spot, food, and water.

Good luck though.
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Well stated.

Julirs said:
It all makes me wonder if she is listening to any other advice as far as lighting, caging, and temps. I beleive that the current animal probably has MBD, and if she is concerned with extra feeders running around, the simple answer is to quit feeding so much.
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Exactly.

Leela, I don't think shopping around for what you want to hear is in the best interest of your chameleon. If you are looking for a forum full of people who will just agree with you, whether what you want to do is good or bad for your chameleon, try else where. I'm not trying to sound harsh, but if you are simply unwilling to listen to advice, what is the point of asking for it? If you house chameleons together you will have problems. You have already had problems with your female in the past. When asked how she is now, your response was something like "Ummmmm, she's ok." That doesn't sound great to me. Do you really want to house two animals together, especially when one is unhealthy? Are you wishing to house them together so you can save money on a cage? That just isn't how it works. You will have the issues of territoriality which are serious enough alone, but in addition to that, if one animal is unhealthy (whether it be via bad husbandry, parasites, ect) the other will end up with the same problems. Double the animals in an enclosure, double the vet bills.
The people here have what is best for your chameleon in mind, I would like to hope that you do too.
 
Is this thread really still alive and Leela is still wanting to do this?!

You cannot justify this by saying things like "I don't know" and "I will still be looking for other advice (that I want to hear tell me I can keep something else in there)" It is a horrible idea and your are going to kill your poor chameleon.

How do I give a negative rating to someone?
 
Julirs said:
It all makes me wonder if she is listening to any other advice as far as lighting, caging, and temps. I believe that the current animal probably has MBD, had a nasty fall awhile back, and is jumpy and easily stressed according to past posts.

My thought-PLEASE DON'T ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU REFUSE TO LISTEN.

I am suprised your animal is still alive.
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ahhh i see you think i am a bad owner, i suppose u think that i pushed my chameleon off the wall so that she broke her back! you dont know how hard it has been for me (a first time owner) to cope and to no what to do with a chameleon that was dragging her back legs, having to make sure she is checked every 15 minutes, finding her and having to prize her back legs off her front legs, the more i pull, the tighter she grips and rips her skin with her claws, with her swollen front legs and her having no appetite, hence she is very thin, constantly falling off her branch when shes holding on to her legs, its hard ok! i just wanted to ask lots of people and not just some on here, as when i ask other questions about other stuff i get SO many different views, i.e. i asked about my heat lamp being on 24/7 some people said keep it on all the time and others said just in the day, i tried both and found that just in the day is better. i didnt know that if i asked, "can i put different animals in with my chameleon" that i would get such strong replies, and then when i said i wanted to ask around (like i did about the heat lamp) i got attacked! well i am SORRY ok, remember this site IS for everyone experienced AND beginners. dont just emply i know things like that. i thought people mite like to hear i want EVERYONES advice. i am really offended that anyone would say "i wonder if she is listening to any other advice as far as lighting, caging, and temps". i dedicate my life to animals working as a horse rehabilitator and being payed peanuts! i think i am a good owner as i want to listen to everyones advice, and i thought that you lot would think i am too because of that!
 
OK-I understand and I think what we have here is what is caused by people reading instead of talking. It would probably help if you said, "I don't know, this is not what I have been hearing elsewhere...or this is not what my Vet said...". When you only post something like, "I'm not sure", it makes it sound like you are not listening or you don't want to hear what people are saying. Let's start over.
The last thing you should ever do is take a sick, stressed, broken chameleon (solitary creature even in good health), and put a potential stressor (another chameleon) in with it. Did you Vet say anything anout MBD-because the leg grabbing thing is a prime indicator of MBD. The fall could have been caused by MBD. The first thing anyone here will look at with MBD is lighting and calcium supplements. Can you tell us what you have/have been doing in the way of these?
 
Often times it seems animal lovers are the worst animal keepers. They lack the objectivity to care for their animals properly.

You asked the question, looking for the one person to tell you yes, so that when it doesn't work, you have someone to blame other than yourself.

I can't imagine who in their right mind suggested you leave the heat lamp on 24 hours a day. It takes about 3 seconds to realize that's a horrible idea.

Everything that a beginner needs to know regarding the care of these animals can be summed up in about 2 pages of text, that is readily available from multiple sources. Every major breeder has perfectly acceptable care sheets posted, along with the raising kitty blog that brad provides.

Many, Many animals have died in the process of developing these guidelines so that yours doesn't have to.
 
Wow, all these really smart breeders weighed in and your still complaining? Isn't that what you wanted - answers from experienced and well qualified owners? There are so many great chameleon care and husbandry sheets available on the internet that if you did your homework these questions would be soooo irrelevant.

Start Here:
https://www.chameleonforums.com/general-care-true-chameleons-5943/
http://chamworld.blogspot.com
http://www.chameleonnews.com/
http://www.chameleonsdish.com/
http://www.precisionreptilelabs.com/care-chameleons.htm
http://www.screameleons.com/portal/alias__Screameleons/lang__en-US/tabID__3406/DesktopDefault.aspx
 
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well mate, i can safely say to you that i have done nothing to hurt any animal whatsoever, i am not finding someone to blame, i just want answers, sorry do you want me to say that again, right listen this time. I JUST WANT ANSWERS. now i know that it is really bad to put them together ok.

right, Julirs,
thank you for reading, i just get a bit upset when, like you say, people just read instead of talk. i use a supplement called nutrobal a couple of times a week and use a strip UV bulb that is 10.0 15w that i change quite regulary. Ever since she fell shes had a lump at the bottom of her spine, he just said she has badly damaged her back, nothing about MBD. Is there a cure for MBD, and what can i do to stop her strange behaviour??
 
ConcertPhotog said:
Wow, all these really smart breeders weighed in and your still complaining? Isn't that what you wanted - answers from experienced and well qualified owners? There are so many great chameleon care and husbandry sheets available on the internet that if you did your homework these questions would be soooo irrelevant.

Start Here:
https://www.chameleonforums.com/general-care-true-chameleons-5943/
http://chamworld.blogspot.com
http://www.chameleonnews.com/
http://www.chameleonsdish.com/
http://www.precisionreptilelabs.com/care-chameleons.htm
http://www.screameleons.com/portal/alias__Screameleons/lang__en-US/tabID__3406/DesktopDefault.aspx
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sooooooo, whats the whole point in this site?? where do you draw the line at an irelevent question, or are you saying that all the questions here are irelevent, so does that mean you have to be of a certain experience level to be part of this site. i dont understand what questions i am allowed to ask on here with out getting shouted at eh?? i thought this site is for learning eh??
 
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I am not that familiar with nutrobal. Here I use Calcium without D3 4-5X weekly, with D3 2X monthly, and Reptivite (vit/minerals) 1X monthly for adults. It sounds like you could up the calcium. Next-there needs to be no glass or plastic between the actual UVB bulb and the cage top. Screen is OK. UVB won't pass through glass and plastic. Some fixture have a plastic lens that must be removed. Do you know what brand bulb and output you have. Now that being said, MBD can be stopped, but the effect cannot be cured. Most times the Vet will start with a Calcium injection, and then send you home with liquid calcium for awhile. It is hard to tell, with the spine injury that yours has, there could be major nerve damage also causing some of the issues.
 
leela said:
sooooooo, whats the whole point in this site?? where do you draw the line at an irelevent question, or are you saying that all the questions here are irelevent, so does that mean you have to be of a certain experience level to be part of this site. i dont understand what questions i am allowed to ask on here with out getting shouted at eh?? i thought this site is for learning eh??
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If the past cannot teach the present and the father cannot teach the son, then history need not have bothered to go on, and the world has wasted a great deal of time. ~Russell Hoban
 
ummmm repti-glow is the make. also this may sound weird but she isnt growing??
is there anyway we can instant msg each other here as i think we are both online now?
 
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