Oustalet cham questions.
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Carlton
Chameleon Enthusiast
ALL the chams we discuss on this forum are considered "old world" or "true" chameleons. The term refers to the Old World of Asia, Africa. It was also used to distinguish them from New World anoles who many people call chameleons because they change color.
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Carlton
Chameleon Enthusiast
Nope. Old World refers to Asia, Africa, Europe. New World refers to North and South America.
Carlton
Chameleon Enthusiast
IMHO that would be a minimal size for an Ousti. You could also consider free ranging one. That might work really well because of their mellow nature. Free range can be a lot of fun for everyone.
chameleonowner32
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Oustalets are the largest old world chameleon.
They should be treated just like a panther because,
They are in the furcifur family. I have a juvy oustalets
And have had him for 3 months now and I've had a Senegal, veiled, and out
Of the 3 of them he is by far the nicest and most gental personality.
They get up to 30 inches long, eat a ton and can be really pretty.
T-Rex my ousti when relaxed is white and red. Also oustalets are the
most hardy.
Oustalets are the largest old world chameleon.
They should be treated just like a panther because,
They are in the furcifur family. I have a juvy oustalets
And have had him for 3 months now and I've had a Senegal, veiled, and out
Of the 3 of them he is by far the nicest and most gental personality.
They get up to 30 inches long, eat a ton and can be really pretty.
T-Rex my ousti when relaxed is white and red. Also oustalets are the
most hardy.
juju
Established Member
I would love to free range a Cham but i already have a veiled and will be getting a Jackson soon im hoping if i free range him how can i keep him away from the other 2? My veiled is very grumpy and idk how the temperment of the Jackson is yet sense i haven't ordered him yet.
tadeusz
Member
For me, ousties are perfect. They doesn't require high humidity to do well and like warm/hot temps. They also have one of the best dispositions I've seen for chams. Never had any issues or been hissed at. They are dull in color (compared to almost all other chams), but they are very hardy and easy going. I love my ousties!! When my guys were younger, they loved a lot of coverage and foliage, now as adults they just like bare branches and just sit and relax all day. They will move around and get antsy when they are hungry, but a bigger cage is always good. I have 2x2x4 indoor cages and 3x4x6 outdoor cages that I'm currently in the process of rebuilding/designing. Let me know if you have any specific questions, I'm more than happy to answer.
eriksorg
Member
Of the many, many years I've been raising Oustalets I have never seen a female that big!!! I would love to see a pic or two of them!!!!
camimom
New Member
you mean mellers?
Jamiewalker198
New Member
I know this is an older thread but I just came across it. I am a new cham owner and have a pair of Oustalets. I can say that mine are super mellow and have been right from the herp shop. Not super colorful but lots of variation of spots and stripes. GREAT eaters, my female hand fed on the second day I had her. I live in SWFL and have read they are thriving in the wild/everglades and Dade county which is about an hour from here. I'd like to make an outdoor enclosure for mine but I'm afraid my dogs and cats would harass them too much
Neonchams1
New Member
They can get to 24" without the tail, and they like a slightly drier habitat than panthers. Not very colorful. Huge cage.
Neonchams1
New Member
I've seen a few reports of huge ones like that, they average 70 cm. And he wouldn't have a 2 ft tail, maybe 1 1/2 feet max so around a 3 foot long cham not 4 feet, 4 feet would be awsome though! I would be buying one in an instant! lol
ataraxia
Avid Member
Are you sure about this? Have you seen an adult oustaleti in person?
Neonchams1
New Member
Yes I've seen adults but not this big, I've just read many reports of it. Many care sheets online have their size as 70 cm. It's not common for huge ones but I am saying it's possible, not likely. I've seen one male that was near 70 cm, he was at a pet store and could barely move back and forth in the tank.
ataraxia
Avid Member
24" SVL? That would be one massive oustaleti
Most wild caughts i have seen range just from a guess, give or take around two feet. Thats including tail. Im not saying there arent bigger ones out there as i havent seen hundreds of them but a two foot bodied oustaleti would be abnormal.
If you have links to these reports, id like to read them.
Most wild caughts i have seen range just from a guess, give or take around two feet. Thats including tail. Im not saying there arent bigger ones out there as i havent seen hundreds of them but a two foot bodied oustaleti would be abnormal.
If you have links to these reports, id like to read them.
tenchijin
Established Member
Well, 70cm is 27". A chameleon with a 24" inch body and a 1-1/2 foot tail would be 3.5 feet long! And most chams have tails about as long as their bodies. Again, I don't think there have ever been reliable reports of a chameleon reaching over about 28"-30". Would be cool, but it just doesn't happen, it seems.
Kent67
Retired Moderator
There is a locale of Oustalet's on the west coast around the town Morondava where they get bigger than the normal imports we see. It's still early here but I think the longest recorded was 32" total length. Might've been 28". Unfortunately, I've not been aware of any imports of "Morondava Giants" since the 90's.
Also, as Oustalet's range overlaps the panthers (and lateralis) and you never know where imports were collected (unless you reaaaaally know your Oustalet's), I think keeping them more dry is not necessarily a good idea. I'd set them up like a panther and then monitor over a month or two to see what kind of hydration level they appreciate and go from there.
Also, as Oustalet's range overlaps the panthers (and lateralis) and you never know where imports were collected (unless you reaaaaally know your Oustalet's), I think keeping them more dry is not necessarily a good idea. I'd set them up like a panther and then monitor over a month or two to see what kind of hydration level they appreciate and go from there.
Neonchams1
New Member
I may have read a few of these reports along with a few others.
Neonchams1
New Member
24" SVL? That would be one massive oustaleti
Most wild caughts i have seen range just from a guess, give or take around two feet. Thats including tail. Im not saying there arent bigger ones out there as i havent seen hundreds of them but a two foot bodied oustaleti would be abnormal.
If you have links to these reports, id like to read them.
I can attempt to find them, I don't exactly remember where I saw the reports but I'll look.
