Prolapse? Bradypodion thamnobates female

You know what?, I'm seriously done offering advice and seeking out as much info as I can about them to relay to everyone that keeps them or is interested in them. It dont get anything but crap for it. I go through so much to make these imports happen and to give everyone that is getting them from me all the info I can to try and help. I send out the best out of the ones I get so that I can keep a good rep and make people happy with their animals they spent a lot of money on. But all I hear is how we get bad batches of them and how they are defected after they die or how they arent the right size for their age like people have kept and bred them here to even know that info. I'm the bad guy. It really bothers me. I may come off as harsh sometimes but that's only when I give specific advice that I have received from the breeders in Europe and then people don't follow it and then it makes me look bad. Like I said, ALL I try and want to do is help.
 
Solid Snake said:
I bet he did, I bet there were some nearer the ground as well, and you know what? I bet there were some in between.
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I may be being oversensitive but do I detect a hint of sarcasm? lol No opinion war is necessary here. Be nice all people :)
EDIT: Then no trouble from the Chameleonic monster.
 
showjet95 said:
You know what?, I'm seriously done offering advice and seeking out as much info as I can about them to relay to everyone that keeps them or is interested in them. It dont get anything but crap for it. I go through so much to make these imports happen and to give everyone that is getting them from me all the info I can to try and help. I send out the best out of the ones I get so that I can keep a good rep and make people happy with their animals they spent a lot of money on. But all I hear is how we get bad batches of them and how they are defected after they die or how they arent the right size for their age like people have kept and bred them here to even know that info. I'm the bad guy. It really bothers me. I may come off as harsh sometimes but that's only when I give specific advice that I have received from the breeders in Europe and then people don't follow it and then it makes me look bad. Like I said, ALL I try and want to do is help.
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I was very happy with the animals I recieved, and all your help.

That doesnt mean we have to always agree bro. Isnt discussing our own opinions/experiences/information weve found what helps everyone to be a better keeper?

I may have missed something, but I dont see why its such a touchy subject.
 
Because its not just you...and my comment from before was just a little information on them, Im sorry that it had nothing to do with how we're keeping them.
 
showjet95 said:
Because its not just you...and my comment from before was just a little information on them, Im sorry that it had nothing to do with how we're keeping them.
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I was a bit of an ass as well, I apologize.


To clarify what I was saying:

I found that having available water drops all throughout the day gave them ample opportunity to drink, and I achieved this mostly with dense ground foliage. They seemed to like the denser foliage at the bottom a great deal. I would find them deep in tall grass, licking up the water, and hunting food on a regular basis. This is how they came to live and survive in the environment I provided at least.

I had them almost exclusively outside. I would give two mandatory mistings a day. Each just enough to wet everything, so not long at all, 30sec max on a 2x2x4. One first thing of the morning, one around noonish.

If it was hot, I would give a few more of these short mistings as I deemed appropriate.

I would rain them hard for 5min about three times a week though, sometimes more, sometimes less.

During natural rainstorms, I would cover part of the top of the caging, but they would ride it out outside.

I did not ever see any signs of dehydration, or RI in these animals while I had them.
 
If I was a bit harsh, which I think I may have been, I apologize as well. Like I said, I just try and give everyone that keeps this genus along with anyone else interested, the best info that I have learned from successful keepers and breeders of them. So, when I get messages, or hear people saying negative things about the shipment or whatever else, I take offense to it, especially if the guidelines that I gave out were not followed. I have followed them to a T and have not lost a single female. They are all growing steadily and looking great. Same with all of my Bradypodion, including all of the males. I am here to help, and relay any info I can from across the pond to anyone interested. I want nothing more than for people keeping these, to succeed with them.
 
I don't have any bradypodion, and who knows if I ever will, but I really appreciate all the info you've shared. As I'm sure many others do. It is such valuable information, which is so rare with unusual species. I hope others will follow your example if they can!
 
My bradys from Paul are also all doing great. I do have to say that when one buys a super rare exotic species, they are assuming a huge risk and that should be the fun. Past 5-7 days, the health of the animals should be on the keeper, not the breeder or importer. If the animals die past that point, it is likely something in the husbandry or a disease that wasn't recognized. It doesn't have to be someone's fault. It's part of the hobby. If you don't appreciate this, you should collect books!
 
Okay, all the nonsense aside... Day two of treatment did not go as well as the first.

By the time i got the second medication in she was severly stressed, eyes closed, really deep breathing, blindly wandering... I managed to get the remaining two to her, and she was still in the same condition before lights out :/

I also noticed she seemed to be trying to defecate, but it seemed as though she could not get it out. Not one bit.

Could the suture be preventing her from doing so? If thats the case, should I or the vet remove it asap? They said it can be removed after five days....
 
I would not remove the suture yet. It's not supposed to prevent defecation. There is inflammation of the cloacal tissue still and if it's flaring up she might be straining because of the inflammation, which means if you remove the suture she might prolapse again. The last prolapse I saw the poor girl was straining like crazy because of how irritated the tissue was. I hope she looks better in the morning. :/ If she's still straining a lot tomorrow I'd give your vet a call. The suture should not prevent defecation but if you take an x-ray and see a large amount of fecal material in the colon it might change how soon he wants to remove it.
 
Turningdoc said:
My bradys from Paul are also all doing great. I do have to say that when one buys a super rare exotic species, they are assuming a huge risk and that should be the fun. Past 5-7 days, the health of the animals should be on the keeper, not the breeder or importer. If the animals die past that point, it is likely something in the husbandry or a disease that wasn't recognized. It doesn't have to be someone's fault. It's part of the hobby. If you don't appreciate this, you should collect books!
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Amen to that!!!

and I have my fingers crossed for that girl Alex!
 
ferretinmyshoes said:
How is she doing this morning? Any improvement? Hoping for the best!
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She is better this morning, normal colors, drinking well. Until I gave her meds at least, I got the same reaction as i did yesterday...

Im gonna try doing two of the meds in the AM before work and two PM after work. It seems like an awful lot for her to take down at once..
 
Hey, do you have any way of injecting her dose into feeders? This is the best trick for a stress-free med delivery. Most vets will give me needles if I tell them this is the trouble I'm having, so it might be worth asking your vet for some. Many a dose of Baytril and other things has been given to my guys via a roach or worm.
 
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