Prolapse? Bradypodion thamnobates female

[coldbloodedAL]

Hey, do you have any way of injecting her dose into feeders? This is the best trick for a stress-free med delivery. Most vets will give me needles if I tell them this is the trouble I'm having, so it might be worth asking your vet for some. Many a dose of Baytril and other things has been given to my guys via a roach or worm.

This is how I was doing it before, but the meds I received this time were mixed with a strawberry syrup. They don't pull up into the syringe hardly at all due to the thickness.

Treating a chameleon this small is such a huge task..

 

[Olimpia]

Oh no, that does make it harder. Shoot, I don't know what else to suggest :/
I have other tricks up my sleeve but they wouldn't work on such a tiny chameleon without making things worse.

 

[coldbloodedAL]

Oh no, that does make it harder. Shoot, I don't know what else to suggest :/
I have other tricks up my sleeve but they wouldn't work on such a tiny chameleon without making things worse.

Yeah, its a bummer... Does anyone think they could mixed the meds differently and possibly just exchange them for new ones?

 

[jannb]

I keep checking in to see how she's doing. They should be able to give you the meds without the strawberry syrups then she would only have to have smaller amount. That's allot of meds for such a little girl.

 

[rsepiphyte]

I use a very small bird feeding needle when i have to administer oral meds. I believe Dr.Fosters and Smith carries them and you can have them sent overnight. Just get the smallest guage needle possible. Best of luck! Ruth

 

[coldbloodedAL]

Second portion of meds this afternoon went smoother then last... She seems to be feeling a little better too...

And to give you all an idea what treating such a small cham is like..

 

[jannb]

She looks good. When we were in South Africa a couple months ago I got to see this species in the wild and I couldn't get over how tiny the babies were.

 

[ataraxia]

Glad to hear she is doing better! Your doing a great job.

 

[Chameleonmaster]

thats as big as her what the heck!!!! they didn't have anything smaller?

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

To sneak meds in mine I have waited until they're drinking on their own and then just squirt into their open mouth on the side and then duck back out so as not to scare them. I don't know how shy she is about drinking or you opening her cage while she's doing that but that's a really good way to do it without stress if possible! Or while chewing on a bug if she hand feeds would also work. Then their mouth is already open and they're ready to swallow anyway! But of course if theyre skittish or shy it doesn't really work...

 

[coldbloodedAL]

Thanks for the tips everyone!

Ferret: She is pretty shy compared to my others but I think that is worth a try, Ill give it a go this afternoon.

This morning she looked the best she has in a while. Still unwilling to cooperate with administering meds, but still better

 

[Solid Snake]

Thats great to hear man.

 

[showjet95]

Awesome news! I was gonna ask you later on today how she was doing

 

[Cainschams]

Ive been following. Definitely great news!

 

[coldbloodedAL]

Well, I am at a loss... The medications don't seem to be helping at all. She is still gasping, and I came home today to her eyes practically sealed shut by some type of crust. I flushed them a bit with saleen and they're back open for now.

On top of all that, This is the stool she dropped right in front of me.

It appears to be somewhat bloody.

Now what?

 

[ataraxia]

Was hoping someone with more experience with these guys would help you but i guess i will throw my useless advice out here.

Not sure what the bloody glob is there, Taking a wild shot in the dark maybe the drugs have her stomach and intestines irritated. If you arent already, id try some benebac for bird and reptiles or a product called nutribac.

Her still gaping.
1. If this is a RI or even if she has extensive damage from the RI, this wont cure her but will help her breathe better. If she is in a all screen cage. Try using a ultrasonic humidifier or repti fogger on her cage. I dont know what your humidity or if you have sufficient flow. If she is in a small enough screen enclosure you could also take her cage to the shower and put her at one end and let the steam do its magic. I dont know the limitation on heat with brady's so that is going to be your call. *The amount of time needed with either of these suggestions would have to depend on her reaction.

2. Where is she gaping in the cage? Is it random, is it under the basking bulb? Is she gaping all the time or is it during certain parts of the day?

 

[JonRich]

Lil late to the thread. Sorry for her condition Al. Hope it all turns around for the best.

I also keep my Bradys at a lower humidity (35-45%) and with less misting,keeping a close eye on urate. Its always white and healthy looking!! These guys are reallllllllllllly small and if you do one really nice misting in the early hours of their awake time they will drink enough to get them through the day. I do another very light misting 2 hours or so before lights out to help hold the humidity during the night ( granted there are no health issues, this should work well to keep them hydrated and not risking a saturated enclosure). I have also went a step further after i notice that they do tend to poop on the leaves of the plants, the same plants that they drink off of.

I have gotten into the habit of rotating out enclosures weekly. While they are using one enclosure, I pull the plants from the previous and wash them and clean all visible poop. Then they move back to this cage the following week. The swap cages are set up as close as possible to each other.(Same type of plants and branches etc). I usually use this swap time to take weights and measurments.

I believe this keeps bacteria down and the risk of the Chams ingesting anything harmful. So far so good!

 

[laurie]

Just checking in on how your little one is doing, any more bloodly discharge? How is her breathing doing?

 

[coldbloodedAL]

Was hoping someone with more experience with these guys would help you but i guess i will throw my useless advice out here.

Not sure what the bloody glob is there, Taking a wild shot in the dark maybe the drugs have her stomach and intestines irritated. If you arent already, id try some benebac for bird and reptiles or a product called nutribac.

Her still gaping.
1. If this is a RI or even if she has extensive damage from the RI, this wont cure her but will help her breathe better. If she is in a all screen cage. Try using a ultrasonic humidifier or repti fogger on her cage. I dont know what your humidity or if you have sufficient flow. If she is in a small enough screen enclosure you could also take her cage to the shower and put her at one end and let the steam do its magic. I dont know the limitation on heat with brady's so that is going to be your call. *The amount of time needed with either of these suggestions would have to depend on her reaction.

2. Where is she gaping in the cage? Is it random, is it under the basking bulb? Is she gaping all the time or is it during certain parts of the day?

Thanks man, I have been giving her benebac 1x weekly since your last recommendation. As well as the hot steamy showers. The showers seem to help momentarily but that subsides.

Its not necessarily gaping, its more of random gasping. It happens almost anywhere in the cage she is. No specific time of day.

Lil late to the thread. Sorry for her condition Al. Hope it all turns around for the best.

I also keep my Bradys at a lower humidity (35-45%) and with less misting,keeping a close eye on urate. Its always white and healthy looking!! These guys are reallllllllllllly small and if you do one really nice misting in the early hours of their awake time they will drink enough to get them through the day. I do another very light misting 2 hours or so before lights out to help hold the humidity during the night ( granted there are no health issues, this should work well to keep them hydrated and not risking a saturated enclosure). I have also went a step further after i notice that they do tend to poop on the leaves of the plants, the same plants that they drink off of.

I have gotten into the habit of rotating out enclosures weekly. While they are using one enclosure, I pull the plants from the previous and wash them and clean all visible poop. Then they move back to this cage the following week. The swap cages are set up as close as possible to each other.(Same type of plants and branches etc). I usually use this swap time to take weights and measurments.

I believe this keeps bacteria down and the risk of the Chams ingesting anything harmful. So far so good!

Thanks for the input man. Rotating cages is not an option really, I keep all mine separately for the moment. That's a lot of cages

My cleaning routines for all these cages was originally 1x weekly. But now is daily/every other day.

Just checking in on how your little one is doing, any more bloodly discharge? How is her breathing doing?

No better today, still having to flush her eyes daily.. She goes in tomorrow to have the stitch on her vent removed, so hopefully they will be able to help her out..

 

[laurie]

I will keep hoping for the best for her. This is not the gravid one is it? I assume not but am too lazy to reread the whole thread.

Glad you finally sold the mellers.