Rudis maybe????

As someone who works in reptile research and academia: I don't have much advice on getting a chameleon- I think that is better left for when you have your career off the ground- but I can at least bring some honest experience to the herpetologist part.

Good luck getting a "PhD in Chameleons". That literally does not exist. Comparative anatomy? Sure. Biological systems? Sure. Wildlife population management? Absolutely! Rainforest ecology? Yes! Chameleons? Nope. That would be like having a PhD in "Dogs".

A herpetologist is not someone who "works with" reptiles and amphibians, like at a zoo or some such; it is a very specific term referring to someone who has a career in the research of reptiles and amphibians. This is often less glamorous or interesting than you would think (unless you are like me, and enjoy looking at a zillion microscopic samples of the exact same kind of tissue day in and out, for months. It's also helpful if you are really, really into repetitive data entry, lists and graphs).

If you really wanna be a herpetologist:

1. Make sure you get good grades throughout high school, and get active in your local herpetocultural scene. Right. Now. Not online. Actual, honest-to-Darwin people. Join your local herp group. Volunteer with a reptile rescue, work at a exotic vet clinic, etc. In many places, experience may trump mild academic achievement differences in resumes, especially when you are competing for highly sought after research assistant positions, etc, later in your career. Make sure you keep your experience relevant and up to date- one year of reptile experience when you are 15 is no good if you are now 25!

2. Make sure you are 100% okay with never, ever being rich (most research positions do not pay what they used to, with the economy the way it is- and what they used to pay was not great to start with), working long grueling hours often being bored out of your skull (livened only when the much dumber grad student accidentally leaves a rattlesnake enclosure unlocked and then be ready for 15 minutes of sheer panic followed by mountains of paperwork... and a lifetime of obsessively rechecking locked cages three times, then once more to make sure), as well as constantly being bitten/pooped on, FOREVER. Because once you have dedicated this much time, energy, money etc. to a single career path, you will have basically ruined your resume for any other work. Trust me. One peek at my resume and no high-powered lucrative business type would hire me. A zoo curator? Sure. Someone who can actually pay something more than a barely livable wage? Nope.

3. Be prepared for death threats. Herpetology generally resides under the "animal research" category, and people be cray-cray about that stuff. One time we had a bunch of envelopes mailed to our employees, and someone had glued razors to the inside of the top of the envelopes, and put white powder on the inside. A couple people had their fingers sliced up, and we had to be in quarantine for a while to make sure the powder wasn't anthrax or some such. It was corn starch, but it could have been anything. We've had bomb threats, our cars vandalized, etc. Our facility is literally a top secret, classified, you-will-be-fired-and-jailed-if-you-reveal-it kind of place. That goes for most animal research facilities. If you can't keep a secret, or handle literally the world thinking you are an Evil Horrible Monster of Monsterousness, then a different career might be a good decision.

4. Do not - DO NOT- saddle yourself with a variety of high-needs animals who require your presence for multiple hours a day, be they reptile, mammal, avian, fish, etc. Because university will ruin you. Trust me. If you think you are busy now, as a 13 year old, just wait- it gets so much worse. During university- when I was studying full time, working part time, keeping up my CE credits and animal-related volunteer work, as well as living on my own- I literally started balding, gained 15 pounds, and broke three teeth from stress, malnutrition and lack of sleep. This doesn't even touch on the financial difficulties of being an adult and a student at the same time. That is not the time to have even a handful of animals further draining your resources- whether that is money, time away from studying, or sheer energy and will to get off the couch when you are not at lecture/studying/exams/part-time job/etc. Many, many people who work full-time in an animal field do not come home to a house full of cool animals, because the care of them (even if it's wonderful) is demanding and very few people want to work all day, then come home and do the same kind of work for a similar number of hours. The chef goes home, but doesn't want to make dinner for his family. Savvy? :)

Anyways. Good luck.
You're going to need it.

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My parents agreed that if he needs a vet appointment that they would pay for it and I would pay them back. Same with food. Come to think of it they both owe me money...
 
Two things to the guy who did the long post (sorry I forgot to read your name)

I plan on doing work for the zoo, who has a Herp room (YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY)

That sounded oddly specific.......(rattlesnake)

Ok so a third actually...why did they threaten you and razor you and such? NOT COOL!!!! Also I feel sorry for you and your research team or whatever you wanna call it....that sucks.
 
Mm I think it was Vinyonga who referenced a "PhD in Chameleons".

Excellent. Keep on doing that, and keep your eye out for additional opportunities as you go on. Later, when you have more professional experience, you might want to start heading out to various workshops, seminars and conferences- but I would wait until you are a bit older for that. Most people who you will meet there will be professionals, and it's nice if you can speak to them as a colleague. the networking opportunities are incredibly valuable.

Yes, that did actually happen. Grad students are notoriously dumb. Even when they are quite smart.

People are sensitive about animal research, in any kind of capacity. It's a reality of working in the field. Why do people ever take extremist action about anything? They honestly believe we are doing wrong, and that we deserve what we got- and probably they think we deserve worse. We, obviously, disagree and would prefer to do our studies in peace, without death threats. It's just not in the cards. They really don't comprehend the level of care, appreciation and love we give the animals that we are responsible for- wild or captive. I honestly think that the secrecy that often surrounds animal research makes us our own worst enemy. I think public education would probably help dispel a lot of the fear and misunderstanding that exists, but unfortunately, that also invites targeting. It's kind of become a catch-22. That's something you might want to think about, before pursuing your career.
 
Ok that's crazy. Sorry your company or whatever your association is had to go through that crazy stuff. Razors? What was the point of corn starch? Confusion.

Anyway, I'm gonna start a new thread because only two or three are paying attention to this one anymore, and one of them just likes to criticize me as entertainment.
 
Chiche is being delayed?!?!

The guy I was gonna get my Rudis baby from doesn't have any currently . He won't have any good to survive without their mom until December, and while I have patience, it is running thin. Hoping that one of his gravids lay soon so I can get my new baby
 
I've been watching this thread go on and on... The only conclusion I've come up with is that nickychameleon, you should really consider a career in marketing or social media. I've never seen someone elicit so much activity on this forum before. Anyway, my advice would be to take your time and whatever you choose, the amount of time you've spent on this forum should indicate the willingness you have to make your pets healthy and happy. Most people your age wouldn't be so diligent. But you must also respect those who have more experience with these animals. They wouldn't be so active on this forum either if they didn't truly love chameleons. Take your time young one.....
 
You said..."he won't have any good to survive without their mom"...all chameleons survive without their mom...adult chameleons don't look after their babies.

Enough is enough...quit trolling.
 
Before you simply start a new thread...please read the rules...you already did several threads on the topic of which species of chameleon you should get when rule #6 under posting says "please do not create multiple new posts on the same subject"...
https://www.chameleonforums.com/index.php?page=rules

Starting a new thread is not going to get rid of people you don't want to post on your thread nor is it going to make more people pay attention to you...at least not for long.

We've tried to help you....you don't pay much attention to the help offered. You have not been nice to some of the people here.
 
Thats a plus...take that time to save as much $ as you can to put towards cham, and his/her items and a vet savings acct or jar
 
Wow...reading all these posts I KNOW that my words shall fall on deaf eras, but my heart could not let me do otherwise.
If you love lizards as much as you say, why are you so eager to buy one and, more than likely, sadly, probably have it die rather quickly? Do you even know how much money you are going to need to keep it healthy and, also importantly, happy? You say your parents will pay for the vet if needed, do you even know how much a vet trip can cost? It sounds to me, you are picking and choosing what information to listen to as long as it suits your needs.
Many very seasoned chameleon owners here have distinctly said, a mesh cage is best...the ONLY cage for a chameleon, and that is the truth. Not opinion. And do you know when I bought my first chameleon, I had bought a medium sized cage as he was a young one...but in just a few months, he was growing so fast, I had to quickly go out and buy a super sized cage to give him the ample space he needed. You are obviously struggling with money at your age and personally think you should simply continue to research and wait until you not only have the funds to deal with everything that one day will arise with your chameleon, but also until your "love" for these animals equates giving them everything in your power to give them a happy home.
You say your parents will give you the money you will need...then how come they won't buy it for you? Anyway, I know I shouldn't have even answered this thread but if there is even a tiny percentage of stopping you from getting one now, in your circumstances, I had to try. It is not about your age, it is about your obvious lack of knowledge and the money to upkeep them.
I wanted a chameleon so badly, but I waited two years of researching and reading before I dared get one. I love animals too and that is why I put my wants second and the animals needs first.
 
Maybe it's like that one time I saw someone I knew walk into the place I get my Tattoos and my artist/friend refused to give him one making some lame excuse. After the guy left I asked why he did that, he said: "That guy had no idea what he was doing".

Maybe? :p
 
First of all.....rude. Second of all, he said "ready", I just assumed he meant to be away from his mother. Thanks for the info on that.
 
Ok that's crazy. Sorry your company or whatever your association is had to go through that crazy stuff. Razors? What was the point of corn starch? Confusion.

Anyway, I'm gonna start a new thread because only two or three are paying attention to this one anymore, and one of them just likes to criticize me as entertainment.

Your ignorance and attitude is astounding. Even for a 13 year old. Peace out. Rest in future peace, little Cham.
 
This thread reminds me of a conversation I might have with my son. He gets an idea in his head, and he's like a dog with a bone. The issue though is that most of the time he expects others (me) to actually make everything easy for him to get what he wants. If your mom doesn't want this thing, stop harassing her. Save your, and her sanity, and the life of a chameleon who didn't ask for this.
 
Ok that's crazy. Sorry your company or whatever your association is had to go through that crazy stuff. Razors? What was the point of corn starch? Confusion.

Anyway, I'm gonna start a new thread because only two or three are paying attention to this one anymore, and one of them just likes to criticize me as entertainment.

Ok I've been trying really hard to keep my opinions to myself from here on out but this does it. You aren't getting enough attention on this thread so you want to start a new one? How childish. If you do start a new thread, hopefully the moderators will do something about it. I've only been a member here for a little over a week and am so tired of seeing new posts pop up with you as the OP! You obviously know everything about chameleons and their care (sarcasm). This forum is a helpful tool to past, current, and prospective cham owners. You have made a mockery of this site and all of it's members that have tried to help you. You have made up your mind on which cham you are going to kill...err I mean purchase. So the the only new thread we should expect to see out of you is, "My chameleon won't eat", or "My cham died!", or maybe "My chameleon is sick and I don't get my allowance until next week! What do I do!!!!".
 
Anyway, I'm gonna start a new thread because only two or three are paying attention to this one anymore, and one of them just likes to criticize me as entertainment.

I've merged all the new threads you've made on this topic in the last week. Please respect the forum rules and do not start another thread on the same topic. It clutters the forum, makes it difficult for people to follow the conversation who are trying to help you, and makes people less likely to try to help when they know you're just going to start a new thread when the current one doesn't go your way. I know the other moderators and I would prefer not to have to start giving infractions or put anyone in time out.

What seems like so long ago a young man in his teens hit me up for information on Chams. I didn't want to respond to him since most kids are just that. However there was maturity and politeness in his questions about keeping chameleons. Today he happens to be a PHD with a solid rep in the chameleon community. I'm glad I took the time to chat with him so long ago.

Yep, I was in 8th grade (13/14 years old?) and my parents had told me that if I wanted a chameleon as a pet that I needed to research them to their satisfaction for 6 months before they would let me. And so began a 6 month period where I bought every book printed on them, contacted every keeper and breeder I could find (in the comparative infancy of the www and online communities), and worked hard to figure out what species, setup, etc., would be ideal for my first chameleon, not what was most convenient. I tried to learn as much as I could from the people who had the experience at the time and listen to them. I am still friends with a number of those people who helped all those years ago!

Chris
 
I've merged all the new threads you've made on this topic in the last week. Please respect the forum rules and do not start another thread on the same topic. It clutters the forum, makes it difficult for people to follow the conversation who are trying to help you, and makes people less likely to try to help when they know you're just going to start a new thread when the current one doesn't go your way. I know the other moderators and I would prefer not to have to start giving infractions or put anyone in time out.



Yep, I was in 8th grade (13/14 years old?) and my parents had told me that if I wanted a chameleon as a pet that I needed to research them to their satisfaction for 6 months before they would let me. And so began a 6 month period where I bought every book printed on them, contacted every keeper and breeder I could find (in the comparative infancy of the www and online communities), and worked hard to figure out what species, setup, etc., would be ideal for my first chameleon, not what was most convenient. I tried to learn as much as I could from the people who had the experience at the time and listen to them. I am still friends with a number of those people who helped all those years ago!

Chris

And look where you ended up! All that time and effort you and others put into it was well worth it!;)
 
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