Rudis maybe????

JaniP said:
You might be just enough to push me back away from this forum. Watching members refusing to properly care for their sick and dying animals made me take a good year of a break.

You have been given SO MUCH advice and you are still just "considering" it instead of taking it as fact. There was a member on here a couple months ago, around your age. His tag line was "I'll consider your advice". His sister was the adult in the house and when his allowance/extra money couldn't afford the vet bills and proper supplies - the poor thing died. You are reminding me a lot of him with your ignorance and refusal to take good advice.

What happens when you need a vet appointment but your Christmas or birthday money is two months away? He's not going to wait that long. Even the most experienced and wise on here end up at the vet once in a while.

Is your mom prepared to pay for it? You should certainly look in to that. Maybe let her know before hand, hey. Is babysitting going to cover a varied diet? When I was at one it cost me about $20 a week to make sure that I had a variety of 4-6 different types of insects on hand at all times (I have more now so that price has changed). You shouldn't even consider taking on a chameleon unless you have a good chameleon savings fund for when (not if) he needs medical attention. If you have all that then spectacular. What you have now will maybe keep him alive, but he won't thrive. Especially when the birthday money runs out. But I'm sure you've "considered" that as well.

No one gave you your bad rep but yourself.
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I am in agreement, taking care of chameleons is not a light duty and you have to treat it like a responsibility and an obligation towards these beautiful creatures to provide them great happiness and health. An owner's goal is to keep the chameleon as healthy and as happy as it would be in it's natural habitat.
 
Yes, but suppose your chameleon falls off the free range and your dog just happens to be in the room? Your new chameleon now becomes a tasty and expensive snack. Free ranging is a little more difficult than just plopping a chameleon on a house plant and, no offense, but you are not a skilled enough keeper to attempt this option right now. Do not do it.
 
If the chameleon got down to the floor...and believe me they can/do...the dog could easily get it.

Also...just wondering what's wrong with the gecko you have that you said is still sickly? BTW...Leo's can live up to thirty years...so you should have more time than you thought with your first leo.

I also asked you before but you didn't answer...do you know about supplements to dust the insects with, feeding and gutloading the insects, the part appropriate temperatures play in nutrient absorption?
 
I'm not quite sure how old Leo is, he night be 25 for all I know. Anyway, I have supplement but it is old and I should probably get some new stuff. Has a chameleon on the actual container though. Calle VitaLife, says concentrated formula vitamins minerals amino acids botanicals and proteins. Has yet to ne opened, and says that it is the most conplete dietary supplement available. Feeding temp is about the same as basking temp correct?
 
I purchased my Hoehnelii from him, i actually drove the hour and picked up face to face.. He does sell have some very nice animals.
 
Nicky wasn't the one suggesting free range, it was me, I forgot about the dog. But there are work arounds.

The supplement you have is a twice a month, you also need calcium without d3 and calcium with d3. Better study up on that Nicky.

My rudis never made it to the floor, but I'm not saying that others won't.
 
Awesome. Saw some Dubai at PETCO. Hate PETCO, but they have insects. Seen the baby iguana video? They actually THREW A BABY IGUANA IN THE TRASH. I don't like shopping there anymore, but I'll buy there insects. Unless they mistreat them. Isn't the last supplement every other day or something?
 
Thanks to you three or four that haven't PMed me 5 times telling me I should stop being a baby and that I should stop posting no names....*cough*(Onemorecast). Anyway....yeah you guys rock. Go chameleons and I'll tell you guys how things go

Gonna petsit for 3 weeks in order to get this guy....don't fail me Chiche.
 
I was aware that it wasn't Nick who talked about the free ranging...but wanted it to be known that he has a dog and it needs to be dealt with for the safety of the chameleon shouldn't he decide to free range the chameleon.

Nicky, I asked about the supplementing, feeding, gutloading and temperatures to see if you are ready enough to keep a chameleon and from your answers you still have more to learn.

I asked about your sick leo to see if I could help but you haven't given me enough information about the gecko so that I might be able to. I've kept leos for over 25 years....as well as numerous other lizards, turtles/tortoises, and a couple of frogs, etc. Someone as smart as you say you are should be able to give some information and answer some questions. Regarding the leo...what do you feed it, what supplements do you dust the insects with? What are the cage temperatures? What lights do you use? What do you feed it and how much do you feed it?

Since you need to know more about chameleons regarding supplements, temperatures, proper feeding / gutloading...here is information that should help...if you pay attention to it...

Since most feeder insects have a poor ratio of calcium to phosphorous we recommend dusting the insects just before you feed them to the chameleon (and gecko too, BTW) with a phosphorous-free calcium powder at every feeding but the four times a month that you use the other supplements.

We recommend that you dust twice a month with a phosphorous-free calcium/D3 powder to make sure that your chameleon gets some D3 without overdosing it and leaving the chameleon to produce the rest of the D3 from its exposure to the UVB light. D3 from supplements can build up in the system and lead to health issues while D3 from exposure to UVB won't likely build up as long as the chameleon can move in and out of the UVB when it wants to.

We recommend that you dust twice a month with a vitamin powder that contains a beta carotene (prOformed) source of vitamin A. There are two forms of vitamin A...PrOformed and prEformed...PrOformed sources of vitamin A cannot build up in the system and lead to overdoses like prEformed sources can. So by using a vitamin powder that has a beta carotene source you don't have to worry about overdoing the vitamin A. Some chameleons may not be able to use the beta carotene though but doing it this way leaves it up to you to decide whether the chameleon needs prEformed separately...with a different supplements...or not.

Appropriate temperatures allow for proper digestion and thus indirectly in nutrient absorption.

I hope this helps and that you understand what I'm telling you.
 
Regarding feeding / gutloading the insects properly...crickets, roaches, locusts, superworms canned fed /gutloaded with a wide assortment of greens such as collards, escarole, endive, dandelion greens, kale, etc and veggies such as carrots, sweet red pepper, squash, zucchini, sweet potato, etc.
 
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Leo eats 2 mealworms every week, he's pretty fat and doesn't have a real appetite anymore. His cage is right next to an open window, and gets UVB and UVB, as well as heat. So does Bob. They do fairly well, they're just very lazy (they are geckos after all) and I do give them calcium supplement and such every once in a while, but they do fine without it. Very low key guys. They mostly sleep all day, whenever Bob is hungry he sits in his food dish, and I feed him as soon as I get back from school. I will be journeying to a pet store to get calcium (with AND without d3, correct?) for Chiche, and my geckos will get some too. Strangely they do fine, even in winter. They love their window seats. Also, Mushu just kinda hangs out in his cage, with an attitude like touch me and u die but he likes being held. My 5 year old cousin handles him, I taught her how to when she was 3 and she holds him perfectly. All I know about Leo's age is that he is older than 8 years for sure, and very possibly atleast twice that. He's very old. Not really sick, just lazy. Bob is skinny and always has been, doesn't matter how much I feed him. He stays the same. Mushu gets a mouse every week and a half, and that suits him well.
 
Two mealworms a week isn't enough food for a leopard gecko and you should use other insects too. Mealworms are not the best insect to use as the only source of food. I use the same supplements for the leos and the chameleon's and do it the same way. If the leos tails are fat its a good thing.

What do you gutload the insects with?

What are the temperatures in the leos cages? If the sun shines on the cages and the cages are glass the temperature in the cages can get too hot.
 
JaniP said:
You might be just enough to push me back away from this forum. Watching members refusing to properly care for their sick and dying animals made me take a good year of a break.

You have been given SO MUCH advice and you are still just "considering" it instead of taking it as fact. There was a member on here a couple months ago, around your age. His tag line was "I'll consider your advice". His sister was the adult in the house and when his allowance/extra money couldn't afford the vet bills and proper supplies - the poor thing died. You are reminding me a lot of him with your ignorance and refusal to take good advice.

What happens when you need a vet appointment but your Christmas or birthday money is two months away? He's not going to wait that long. Even the most experienced and wise on here end up at the vet once in a while.

Is your mom prepared to pay for it? You should certainly look in to that. Maybe let her know before hand, hey. Is babysitting going to cover a varied diet? When I was at one it cost me about $20 a week to make sure that I had a variety of 4-6 different types of insects on hand at all times (I have more now so that price has changed). You shouldn't even consider taking on a chameleon unless you have a good chameleon savings fund for when (not if) he needs medical attention. If you have all that then spectacular. What you have now will maybe keep him alive, but he won't thrive. Especially when the birthday money runs out. But I'm sure you've "considered" that as well.

No one gave you your bad rep but yourself.
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Don't let a young man who is doing his own thing chase you away from such a great site as this one. You know full well the majority of members here are like you, people with experience.

Leave the boy to me if he so chooses to ask me for actual help. So far I'm not wasting anymore time on him since he knows more about humidity than me (sarcasm) as well as other things. I only posted due to your post. Like you I walked away for a while and found I shouldn't have.
 
This open window is in the same house that's a constant 66 degrees like you claim? Blinds don't count. Glass blocks UVB, so between the closed window and glass sided tank they are not getting much if any. For them to get adequate UVB they will need an actual UVB bulb or 8hrs plus a week actually outside.
 
I take them out every other day and let them walk around. Temps don't get too high for them, 80 in the heat of summer, around 60 in the coldest of winter
 
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