Senegal Cham Breeding?

[bamachams2012]

I ordered a lot of senegal Chameleons from a supplier and because I knew they were WC I expected some to be past the point of saving. I love the Senegal and wondered if anyone attempted to do any breeding with them, and their success or lack thereof? I know they are simply cheaper for people to harvest, but having some CBB or even just CB Seneglas would be great.

 

[coldbloodedAL]

I think there are very few, if any people at all that breed senegals... Would be nice to see some cb or even captive hatched around

 

[bamachams2012]

I just think they have such awesome personalities, and based on what i have noticed, they do not seem to stress as bad as say, my jacksons cham does.

 

[KarmaChameleon1337]

I have a Senegal and lookedinto breeding for a long while. It's rarely ever accomplished because of how easily they die.

 

[chameleonfan101]

I've been looking into giving it a try. I think this might be my next project I really want to be able to breed them. People are rarely successful but we will see if I have any luck. In the mean time I am still doing research on their environment and diet in the wild. I agree senegals are beautiful and have great personalities but sadly many people don't see this because of their price it costs much less to buy one than raise babies.

 

[DanSB]

I have been seriously contemplating this as well. I began thinking that while they seem to be common what would happen if all of the sudden some bureaucrat decided to put them on a list?

Also I think it is sad that any creature is pulled from the wild and traded like they are a cheap disposable commodity.

I'm okay with wild caught if it is to add genetic diversity to a valuable captive breeding program, or even if the animals are treated as valuable and important period. Sadly this is not the case and I would like to master captive breeding of them if for no other reason than to reduce WC demand.

Either way I'd like to help but can offer no more than sharing whatever I learn as I know nothing!

 

[KarmaChameleon1337]

First I'd definately get rid of any parasites the parents have. I was going to get a female Senegal but got a male Ambanja Panther instead.

 

[DanSB]

First I'd definately get rid of any parasites the parents have. I was going to get a female Senegal but got a male Ambanja Panther instead.

To maximize survival there should be a quarantine period for each WC adult added to a breeding group which would involve parasite removal, fecal exams, vet check ups, hydration and health stabilization.

Once healthy and happy I would imagine a breeding project would be much more successful.

I suspect a common reason for failure here is the lack of preparation and treatment of WC animals before a breeding attempt.

 

[stephen gedman]

why

r they hard to keep, is thiis why u say they die. & why r they cheap.sorry i dont know much about them but think they r really nice chams.

 

[KarmaChameleon1337]

r they hard to keep, is thiis why u say they die. & why r they cheap.sorry i dont know much about them but think they r really nice chams.

They are if you're new to them, not many people have them, I haven't seen more than 10 including me on the forums. They're cheap because of supply and demand, the fact that they're mostly wild caught since they're so difficult to breed, etc. I think they have the sweetest personalities.

 

[DanSB]

Here is a great article on Chameleons! E zine. http://www.chameleonnews.com/08FebFrancis.html

It certainly doesn't sound like they are that difficult to breed, but just like anything else you need to know the best way to do it.

Most of what I read says to just take care of them like a Veiled. I don't know for sure but I imagine there are nuances that make a big difference.

 

[bamachams2012]

I agree they were hard at first toraise, but with regula showers to help them drink and this vitamin supplement booster I found, They all finally feel healthy. they take some powder with their lettuce and crickets to dispose of any unseen parasites and they all quarantined once they got home. They are all (15) doing really well, and fortuantely for me, two huge gracefuls plopped into my lap with the senegals by mistake. I love them too. I hope to successfully breed the and have nearly every book i can grab up to help me. hope it works out and i will be posting pictures if there is any success! glad to know Im not the only one that hate that these poor things are "harvested" and thrown around like they are unimportant.

 

[bamachams2012]

Thanks for the article its awesome. Every little bit helps, and they describe in part of the article that when you take one of them from ther enclosure and leave the rest, they get agitated until you give them back, then they bask together during the day, and sleep holding each others tails by night, whis is exactly what mine do. Whats not loveable about that?

 

[DanSB]

Thanks for the article its awesome. Every little bit helps, and they describe in part of the article that when you take one of them from ther enclosure and leave the rest, they get agitated until you give them back, then they bask together during the day, and sleep holding each others tails by night, whis is exactly what mine do. Whats not loveable about that?

Keep in mind once they matured they didn't want anything to do with each other!

Definitely keep us posted. I am also very interested in setting up a breeding group of Senegals and would love to hear details about how it goes for you.

 

[tbarthelmess]

I have one, have had him for 2 months- but he has Foleyella, which is a parasite (worms), that will eventially kill him. BUT- he is the best chameleon- (also my first), so sweet- everyone in my family holds him. He was $30.
I wish I could find a CB one, because I would get another in a heartbeat... but do not want to experience the heartache of what mine is going through right now.
I am looking into buying a panther??????

 

[KarmaChameleon1337]

I have one, have had him for 2 months- but he has Foleyella, which is a parasite (worms), that will eventially kill him. BUT- he is the best chameleon- (also my first), so sweet- everyone in my family holds him. He was $30.
I wish I could find a CB one, because I would get another in a heartbeat... but do not want to experience the heartache of what mine is going through right now.
I am looking into buying a panther??????

They are the sweetest IMO, Karma is about 2 yrs old I've had him for a little over a year. I was lucky to find a CB one.

 

[bamachams2012]

stephen,
nearly every senegal available is wild caught andcovered in parasites and stress related illnesses, so they are difficult to keep alive until they reach a certain age, which mine are currently coming very close to (6-8mo). After this point, they grow hearty and resilient like other chams and once they shed a few times, the minute scars they arrive with fade or disappear (depending on the initial extent of the wound). I love senegals, and did not lose any of the 15 I ordered. almost positive one is gravid, her colors beautiful and shes searching the ground. just got her a laying bin! so excited! they are loveable chams and hope this helped you understand them a little better!

 

[bamachams2012]

so far, I have four growing and well adjusted females and five males. I am going to put them into a quick series of seasons and see if i can trick their little bodies into thinking its prime breeding time. I have a pair of senegals that have been introduced and the female does not hate him, so Im taking this as a good sign. Im keeping them on a very consistent schedule with log books and notes so if this becomes a successful breeding between them I can have a cookie cutter recipe to breeding them! Ill keep posting with new updates!