some hoehnelii breeding information

thank ya'll :) i have yet to see an ugly hoe. they all look beautiful to me. it's so exciteing to see everyone breeding them. high hopes for lots of baby pictures this year :p
 
Tazjunky said:
Very nice looking Female Okiroo!

Joanna - this is your reminder. lol.

would be great the see the whole viv and the way you have it set up. Im in 2 minds as to whether or not to keep the male I have for sale, or simply just invest in some taller vivs. the space I want to occupy (An alcove)would fit 2 of your sized vivs in but id lose 5cm in width and depth and only gain 12cm in height which probably still works out the same amount of space. I love the vivs I have at the minute but they both won't fit in the gap! doh!
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Lol I've just sat down. Would you put a pair in each? I have a plastic lucky reptile tray in the bottom which holds in any water not that I have a lot on the bottom anyway. The plastic stuff holds it in place.
 
Yeah was thinking about pairs un each but not sure. will have to look more into it. How do your pair lime their cage?
 
I have had pairs together, mothers with offspring, mixed generation juveniles and have not seen any overtly aggressive behaviors. Many keepers housing 1.1 or 1.2 adults together have stated that this is unproblematic, and that has been my experience. I think if there are multiple, quality basking sites and always a few extra feeders crawling or flying around a large, well branched (or vined) habitat, then hoehnelii seem to get along quite well. Often I think I am seeing the females wearing the pants.
 
Monzon said:
I have had pairs together, mothers with offspring, mixed generation juveniles and have not seen any overtly aggressive behaviors. Many keepers housing 1.1 or 1.2 adults together have stated that this is unproblematic, and that has been my experience. I think if there are multiple, quality basking sites and always a few extra feeders crawling or flying around a large, well branched (or vined) habitat, then hoehnelii seem to get along quite well. Often I think I am seeing the females wearing the pants.
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Im glad to hear you say this, As I want to get some girls to keep in with kermit my male to start a breeding colony.
which im hoping youll help out with. ;)
 
Females do tend to rule the roost. I do agree also that if multiples are kept in same cage to have a second of everything. I have also seen problems of an established male or female in a cage punking or basically showing who runs stuff around here. In this instance if you dont watch them closely you can end up with the submitting one wasting away in due time.

I also set my female up like a veiled but dont have the 30's night time temps. I do lose a few from each clutch at around 5 months and it is always the smallest of the group. I dont believe they need such high temps but they can tolerate them. My male will bask very little and be less active with higher basking temps. If i turn the basking light off or lower them to high 78-80..He will run around the cage like a olympian. The female on the other hand is not picky one bit. Very interesting though..I may put her and him in another room where the temps can drop low.
 
When you keep a pair together and the female becomes gravid do you remove the male before birth? Is there any chance that the babies could be eaten?
 
i have not experimented with leaving the male in with babies along with the female. i personally just go off my gut. i separate the babies from the mom also. I hear all is fine but i dont take chances with life i guess.
 
ataraxia said:
i have not experimented with leaving the male in with babies along with the female. i personally just go off my gut. i separate the babies from the mom also. I hear all is fine but i dont take chances with life i guess.
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I think that sounds sensible. The reason I ask is that my female hoe gave birth the first time to only 3 babies and as she did not have much weight gain after I bought her it was a total surprise when I found babies. She was gravid when I bought her unknown to me. The male remained in with her. She is gravid again and this time I will be prepared. I believe gestation is 5 months but does anyone know how early I could expect the babies?

My female rules the roost btw too.
 
Well I thought would keep you all updated, I don't think my female is pregnant. Not just yet. the reason I say this as only 30 minutes ago I was doing some uni work on the computer in my office where they are kept and noticed out the corner of my eye the male bobbing away creeping closer until..................:eek:

Yes ladies and gentlemen - magic happened!:D Surely if she was already pregnant, shoe wouldn't have let him mate with her?

Just curious though. less than 5 minutes later she had a poop and it looked like a little something extra came out with it. Could this stop her becoming pregnant? I hope not!
 
Tazjunky said:
Well I thought would keep you all updated, I don't think my female is pregnant. Not just yet. the reason I say this as only 30 minutes ago I was doing some uni work on the computer in my office where they are kept and noticed out the corner of my eye the male bobbing away creeping closer until..................:eek:

Yes ladies and gentlemen - magic happened!:D Surely if she was already pregnant, shoe wouldn't have let him mate with her?

Just curious though. less than 5 minutes later she had a poop and it looked like a little something extra came out with it. Could this stop her becoming pregnant? I hope not!
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what was the color of the something extra?
and if she had been gravid at the time, she would not have allowedhim to mate with her... so NOW youll have babies in about 5 monhts, fingers crossed!

so exciting! im so jealous of everyone with gravid females and hoe babies.. i want my hoe babies already!
 
Well it was kinda foamy around the poop, but there was something quite gelatinous around the the urates.:confused:

Anyways! Im super happy to know that at least some mating has happened and fingers crossed it may happen again over the next few days. But, I'm looking forward to some July babies all going well! :)
 
Tazjunky said:
Well it was kinda foamy around the poop, but there was something quite gelatinous around the the urates.:confused:

Anyways! Im super happy to know that at least some mating has happened and fingers crossed it may happen again over the next few days. But, I'm looking forward to some July babies all going well! :)
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has she eaten any worms lately?

if all goes well with kermits breeding, ill have hoe babies around september/ october.
 
No, No worms, she has been eating Crickets, Hoppers and Soldier Flies. they didn't like calciworms, waxworms or silkworms that much.
 
Tazjunky said:
No, No worms, she has been eating Crickets, Hoppers and Soldier Flies. they didn't like calciworms, waxworms or silkworms that much.
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hmm. oh well. i wouldnt be too concerned about it. sometimes theres just a jelly on the poo. normally i find i thappens after being fed worms.. but probably not a big deal.
 
Monzon said:
If I were you, then I would make sure that she has several different basking spots available: one in the high 80's one in the mid to low 80's and one in the high 70's. Do this with small halogens 35 to 50 watts, but dial in the temps carefully as you don't want to add alot of ambient heat - just warm spots.
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Thanks Monzon, I already use low voltage halogen spots and there are a few for her to pick from. I use 20w bulbs and they kick out temps of 85f under a few inches from it. so she has a good choice depending on where she wants to be in the viv.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed now for the other pair to mate.
 
Tazjunky said:
Well I thought would keep you all updated, I don't think my female is pregnant. Not just yet. the reason I say this as only 30 minutes ago I was doing some uni work on the computer in my office where they are kept and noticed out the corner of my eye the male bobbing away creeping closer until..................:eek:

Yes ladies and gentlemen - magic happened!:D Surely if she was already pregnant, shoe wouldn't have let him mate with her?

Just curious though. less than 5 minutes later she had a poop and it looked like a little something extra came out with it. Could this stop her becoming pregnant? I hope not!
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I'm sorry Mike but this post really made me laugh. Now you know how I felt when I caught mine at it. And the end part was graffic lol. I think I remember mine doing a similar poop thing. The good thing with witnessing it is that you will be prepared. Was the male really gentle like mine was?
 
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