The clock is ticking
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coldbloodedAL
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laurie
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No together we have 2.2. All the reading said you need two males to get them to "perform". Now we have it all. But after the girls are both gravid, one will come back with your male so you can see your set of babies born.
I decided neither of us can miss that. Then I will take my girl home and you get to keep your babies - sound good?
laurie
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Oh crap, I guess I will tell hubby to get on my terrariums. He is custom making all 3. They will be 24x24x36. The bottom 8" will be solid for planting. Al I will take a close up of the sliding doors on the 2 smaller ones I used to keep my Tav's in. Now they have Williamsi geckos. If I change my mind very many more times one of you better have room for me & my chams.
Solid Snake
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Haha, yes that brilliant!
You could just leave a bit of the posts sticking up to hold them in place!
Oh crap, I guess I will tell hubby to get on my terrariums. He is custom making all 3. They will be 24x24x36. The bottom 8" will be solid for planting. Al I will take a close up of the sliding doors on the 2 smaller ones I used to keep my Tav's in. Now they have Williamsi geckos. If I change my mind very many more times one of you better have room for me & my chams.
You can always come cuddle with me Laurie...
Olimpia
Biologist & Ecologist
No together we have 2.2. All the reading said you need two males to get them to "perform". Now we have it all. But after the girls are both gravid, one will come back with your male so you can see your set of babies born.
Yes, sounds like a plan!
laurie
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See we women know how to cooperate .
Solid Snake
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Whos not cooperating?
laurie
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Now don't get your panties in a bunch. You are always cooperative, helpful and sweet. And I love you to bits, it is just that Olimpia & I are doing things a tad different. We are actually sharing our chams to make it better for us both. Now, aren't you proud of me?
Solid Snake
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I just like picking on you!
Im not wearing any panties
Im not wearing any panties
showjet95
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So I will be getting 2.2 pumilum and I cant decide if I should get a group of transvaals or just have a pair of transvaals and an additional pair of thamnobates. Man, this is costing me a small fortune! I hope we all do great with them like the Europeans do! idk what it is special that they do over there but they have a leg up on us in the reptile dept. Ive seen some of their set ups and theyre nothing special...
Those of you with my phone number need to gimme a heads up when threads like these are started! Lol
Those of you with my phone number need to gimme a heads up when threads like these are started! Lol
Motherlode Chameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
This is turning into a extremely neat deal. I have only seen groups of South African Dwarfs a couple times in the USA and never in such a large group. Good luck to all of you that are going to attempt to breed the three species in this shiment that is arriving.
Solid Snake
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Thamnos! Will anyone else be keeping them aside from myself and coldblooded?
Bert Langerwerf said they did great over here, and that his population grew into the hundreds! He also said the only reason there arent any around in the states anymore, was simply due to lack of interest in them at the time.
I think well do good with them.
Thanks!
Motherlode Chameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
Thamnos! Will anyone else be keeping them aside from myself and coldblooded?
Bert Langerwerf said they did great over here, and that his population grew into the hundreds! He also said the only reason there arent any around in the states anymore, was simply due to lack of interest in them at the time.
I think well do good with them.
Thanks!
No problem.
I actually think one of the batches I had previously seen was from Bert (1994).
The South African Dwarfs seem to be only regularly/legally imported (and bred) to Europe. That being why they are not seen much here in the USA. They were just never able to import any over hear. Plus compared to other countries, South Africa has got strict exportion policies.
Solid Snake
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Yeah, Ill definitely need a bit of luck I think hopefully not too much.
Here is what Dr. Krystal Tolley had to say about legal exportation of Bradypodion from South Africa:
hopefully not too much. Here is what Dr. Krystal Tolley had to say about legal exportation of Bradypodion from South Africa:
laurie
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Solid Snake
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You would think, but I dont believe so.
I found a few articles and blogs of people mentioning getting some from him, but thats all. Nothing any more substantial. ;/
Just them "reminiscing".
There may be some still running around in the woods of Alabama...
Motherlode Chameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
One of the big problems is that captive populations start to become nonviable and stop reproducing in captivity after F5 and F6 captive bred generations. The one exception is Veiled Chameleons. That is most likely what happened with Bert's Thamnobates. The last I heard of Bert Thamnobates was about 1995-1996. We have not heard of them anymore from Bert as to the best of my knowledge Bert has passed on.
Solid Snake
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Yes Bert passed in 2008.
Is there any specific reason for them becoming non-viable? As well as for the veileds being an exception?
Or am I just incredibly naive?
Here is a quote and link to what I referenced earlier:
http://www.chameleonsonline.com/board/viewthread.php?tid=2239
Posted on 10-06-2005
Is there any specific reason for them becoming non-viable? As well as for the veileds being an exception?
Or am I just incredibly naive?
Here is a quote and link to what I referenced earlier:
http://www.chameleonsonline.com/board/viewthread.php?tid=2239
Posted on 10-06-2005
