The Next Frontier?

Kaizen said:
Interesting! You’re obviously very empirically informed. I wonder if a human being who, by sheer fluke of birth, was born with a very low ability to produce epinephrine could get angry, by your definition. What if, by mere biological mishap, they had another chemical capable of causing the same reaction in the amygdala? It seems like if epinephrine is a lynch pin, then this person would also be incapable of anger.
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No, the key factor isn't just the epinephrine, it is also the frontal lobe. All the parts of the brain, that work in tandum to create an emotion, are not present in a chameleon. So, for instance, the example you used for someone with low epinephrine, would still be considered capable or within capacity to feel emotion, because they still had all the ability to function as such. We actually see this in people with tumors located near the frontal lobe. It causes lethargic responses to normally aggravated situations, but these people still have the ability to process other emotions.
 
KobaOregonherper said:
No, the key factor isn't just the epinephrine, it is also the frontal lobe. All the parts of the brain, that work in tandum to create an emotion, are not present in a chameleon. So, for instance, the example you used for someone with low epinephrine, would still be considered capable or within capacity to feel emotion, because they still had all the ability to function as such. We actually see this in people with tumors located near the frontal lobe. It causes lethargic responses to normally aggravated situations, but these people still have the ability to process other emotions.
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Interesting! Again, I’m no brain scientist, but I have reservations about reducing conscious states to their neural/biological causes. You seem to have some functionalist leanings, so I’m curious whether you think any sufficiently complex system could realize consciousness/mentality.
 
Kaizen said:
Interesting! Again, I’m no brain scientist, but I have reservations about reducing conscious states to their neural/biological causes. You seem to have some functionalist leanings, so I’m curious whether you think any sufficiently complex system could realize consciousness/mentality.
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Only if it were sufficiently complex. I do have quite a few functionalist leanings, in the sense that I see things from a scientific point of view. I see the way the natural world operates as part of complex system, that allows it to maintain functionality. I do not, however, see any of the parts within said system as a lesser or lower, but all equal parts.

I've actually had this conversation quite a bit in a few of my political theory courses.

I do believe, however, a sufficiently complex system could realize conciousness. I also agree that we shouldn't go be so quick to right off everything under the label of, "it's just a biological/neurological reaction." I deal with the facts that I've been given, but as is always important the scientific world, we should be striving to prove ourselves wrong.
 
jamest0o0 said:
All of the stupid things I have done while drinking are probably part of the reason I raise roaches in a shed.

...so no judgement from me!
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Currently playing with my roaches im raising in my shed... ive only had one drink I swear to god.
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