Too much, Too late
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kimmun
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should starts calling my self chameleon hit man lol. i understandt with this one that it was not my fault and im really not sure on the other one. i have mixed oppinions of paracites or runt of the litter than shouldnt have even made it past 6 months. But paracites aparently kill with in 2 months if not treated and gonzo was always small but healthy untill we tried making him better which stressed him out and killed him
Murrdox
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Kimmun, seriously I wouldn't blame yourself for this.
The Chameleon you've pictured in this thread had some very SERIOUS health issues. Serious enough that NO responsible pet store should have sold him to you. Serious enough that the pet store's source of chameleons (this "breeder") is suspect.
If you have already invested time and money into a correct setup for your chameleon (screen cages, heat lamps, a tree for him to climb on, water drips, spray bottles, etc) then don't waste your money anymore.
Get your money back from the petstore over your last purchase. Use that money to go online and buy a chameleon from a reputable breeder who will ship you a healthy animal. I know you're in the UK, but I'm sure there are some sponsors on this website which will ship there.
Good luck to you in the future.
The Chameleon you've pictured in this thread had some very SERIOUS health issues. Serious enough that NO responsible pet store should have sold him to you. Serious enough that the pet store's source of chameleons (this "breeder") is suspect.
If you have already invested time and money into a correct setup for your chameleon (screen cages, heat lamps, a tree for him to climb on, water drips, spray bottles, etc) then don't waste your money anymore.
Get your money back from the petstore over your last purchase. Use that money to go online and buy a chameleon from a reputable breeder who will ship you a healthy animal. I know you're in the UK, but I'm sure there are some sponsors on this website which will ship there.
Good luck to you in the future.
kimmun
New Member
i think im just going to get rid on all subtrate vines and foliage and start over. Whats £30 for more stuff to make sure your cham will be ok.
Still not sure if im going to get another on just now tho.
Does any one know of any uk breeders or any where that will ship to the uk. im still going to window shop for jsut now
Still not sure if im going to get another on just now tho.
Does any one know of any uk breeders or any where that will ship to the uk. im still going to window shop for jsut now
jojothefirst
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Dude. There was clearly something very wrong before you bought it. If i was you i would get some info on what rights i have in this situation i complain to the highest person i can instore. Theres no way they should be able to get away with that.
kimmun
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the problem is its not a big store like you guys have in america its just one lady that runs the shop and i think she has a few friends that go in to keep her company. she wanted me to pay cash and i realise now i never got a reciept. i hope this phone call doesnt go the way i think it will
Lin Hill
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Firstly, I'm horrified about the state of these poor animals that are being sold by this particular pet shop..... i would seriously look into maybe talking to animal welfare.... this breeder needs to be checked out too.
On a happier note, have you tried looking at the uk reptile forums, there are chams for sale on there, and also you could find out about reputable breeders in your area. When i got mine, i went to a reptile exbo.(again, you can find out where these are to be held online)... got some fantastic advice from the breeders, together with online help and research, both are doing well. But firstly, do some more reading into what a healthy cham should look like, and behave like, I have to say sadly, that I have seen some very iffy looking chams for sale, and if you don't know what to look for then it can mean heartbreak and the added expense of vet bills.
On a happier note, have you tried looking at the uk reptile forums, there are chams for sale on there, and also you could find out about reputable breeders in your area. When i got mine, i went to a reptile exbo.(again, you can find out where these are to be held online)... got some fantastic advice from the breeders, together with online help and research, both are doing well. But firstly, do some more reading into what a healthy cham should look like, and behave like, I have to say sadly, that I have seen some very iffy looking chams for sale, and if you don't know what to look for then it can mean heartbreak and the added expense of vet bills.
kimmun
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succsess to the lady in the pet shop. i am not getting my money back because its apparently my fault because she claimsits was my fault and it was stress which caused his eyes to swell up and kill him she holds a 28 day gaurentee but i dont qualify for it because i apparently killed him
kimmun
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ok ive clamed down a bit since that phone call. i have been in touch with a reptile vet and she has agreed to look at the photos i have shown to you guys. I can believe im having to try and prove my innocents. I personally thought there was no way you could kill a chameleon in 30 hours unless you took a hammer to it. I really dont know what to think any more. does stress make thier eyes swell up. Can it really kill them in 30 hours. Would it make him Wheeze and take big massive breaths for no apparent reason. im lost now and will just have to wait and see what the vet thinks
I also wanted to add this
http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=5116717890
This is where i bought the cham from, and her shop doesnt look quite at nice and shiny as it shows in the picture.
I also wanted to add this
http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=5116717890
This is where i bought the cham from, and her shop doesnt look quite at nice and shiny as it shows in the picture.
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jojothefirst
New Member
im only a novice but commen sence says to me that stress cant make eyes swell up so bad. Do some research 1st then take the poor little guy 2 the shop and show her to her face. Threaten to get rspca involved. Good luck
jannb
Chameleon Enthusiast
kimmun
New Member
Unfortunately its too late to take him to the shop he died on monday night. Sound weird but i have kept him in case i need to send him off to the vet. I have noticed tho that all the swelling around his eyes are gone but the skin is now saggy where the bulges were. Could this be an indication that they were definitely there for longer than the 2 days i had him.
The lady in the shop was really using any excuse she could to blame me, I told her what viv type i had and she said she didnt like glass ones and recommended me to get a wood one ( i would never do that because from what i have read i may as well put a hammer to my cham) but on the phone she said it was to small didnt like my set up and thats why he was stressed.
she then told me it was because i didnt use bottled water to mist him.
But then it was the hour and a half car journey hom, Then his eyes were swollen because he may have rubbed them on the side of the tub that she provided for him.
There was a few more thing in there but i was in tear by the end of the telephone call.
Does any one have any web pages that might help me out here i need to find stuff thats going to prove that stress doesn't cause eyes to swell and id like pages on eye infections.
She keeps them in wooded vivariums, I came up with the possibility that stale air to much humidity all the time and not enough heat gradient may have cause a respitory infection( i now realize the hissing was him breathing to try and get breath). I have read up in a book that eye problems can come as secondary infections from poorly treated infections.
Do you guys think this is possible?
P.S sorry for the book lol.
Jakedn
New Member
What kind of wood is she using? And is it completely wood?
cushcameleon
New Member
You can definitely argue that enclosed vivarium cause respiratory problems as well as infections to open areas (such as the eyes). Here are some sources on illnesses to use in your arguments. http://www.chameleonsonline.com/illness.php
http://chamworld.blogspot.com/2008/01/upper-respiratory-infection-warning.html
http://webhome.idirect.com/~chameleon/owners/chapter5-sub4.html
cushcameleon
New Member
I don't have much experience with enclousure like these. But since no one is on, I will repeat some of what I have heard. Varnish, wood sealant, etc. emits odors that can cause respiratory problems to chameleons if continually breathed in over time. Don't quote me on that.
WelshOneEmma
New Member
This is the type of cage we have, being based in the UK. have to watch to make sure that water doesn't build up on the floor (as with any cage) and keep an eye on humidity, but other than that it has been fine.
WelshOneEmma
New Member
Sorry, double post. If you are still interested I can send you the details of the breeder we used, based in Southampton?
kimmun
New Member
Email to vet
This is what i just email to the vet. I hope she will back me up on this one.
Dear Heidi,
After the email i sent yesterday i started doing some research to try and figure out what could have happened to the chameleon and this is a possible theory i came up with.
When i was in the shop i noticed that she keeps her chameleons in wooden vivariums with glass fronts, From what i have read on a web site she gave me ( www.ukchameleons.co.uk) these can have problems with temperature gradient and hold to much humidity.
I was thinking that maybe with a little to much humidity and heat that the chameleon had a possible respiratory infection. i found several web sites on chameleon health that list symptoms of which he had ever symptom on the list.
Web sites i used were -http://www.chameleonsonline.com/illness.php - http://chamworld.blogspot.com/2008/01/upper-respiratory-infection-warning.html and http://webhome.idirect.com/~chameleon/owners/chapter5-sub4.html
I know its difficult to tell with out seeing him in person, But i still find it hard to accept that it was my fault he died. I think the respiratory infection ( if he had one ) was a big factor in this and i believe that stress also had a part to play in this. My theory is that he had a respiratory infection and the stress of us travelling an hour and a half journey then putting him some where strange lowered his immune system ( i have read that stress does this ) there for allowing the respiratory infection to Finnish him off.
I know Reptiles in the Green is a very good reputable shop but i think not every one can be perfect 100% of the time. When we went to buy him she told me she had one male in the shop but when looking in the vivarium i noticed a second male which she thought was female then confirmed he was actually a male. She also told me that she doesn't handle them as she like to keep stress to a minimum. I think the illness could have been very easily missed.
I know I'm no vet but this is just a theory.
Thanks for taking the time to read this and help me out
Kim Merrigton
This is what i just email to the vet. I hope she will back me up on this one.
Dear Heidi,
After the email i sent yesterday i started doing some research to try and figure out what could have happened to the chameleon and this is a possible theory i came up with.
When i was in the shop i noticed that she keeps her chameleons in wooden vivariums with glass fronts, From what i have read on a web site she gave me ( www.ukchameleons.co.uk) these can have problems with temperature gradient and hold to much humidity.
I was thinking that maybe with a little to much humidity and heat that the chameleon had a possible respiratory infection. i found several web sites on chameleon health that list symptoms of which he had ever symptom on the list.
Web sites i used were -http://www.chameleonsonline.com/illness.php - http://chamworld.blogspot.com/2008/01/upper-respiratory-infection-warning.html and http://webhome.idirect.com/~chameleon/owners/chapter5-sub4.html
I know its difficult to tell with out seeing him in person, But i still find it hard to accept that it was my fault he died. I think the respiratory infection ( if he had one ) was a big factor in this and i believe that stress also had a part to play in this. My theory is that he had a respiratory infection and the stress of us travelling an hour and a half journey then putting him some where strange lowered his immune system ( i have read that stress does this ) there for allowing the respiratory infection to Finnish him off.
I know Reptiles in the Green is a very good reputable shop but i think not every one can be perfect 100% of the time. When we went to buy him she told me she had one male in the shop but when looking in the vivarium i noticed a second male which she thought was female then confirmed he was actually a male. She also told me that she doesn't handle them as she like to keep stress to a minimum. I think the illness could have been very easily missed.
I know I'm no vet but this is just a theory.
Thanks for taking the time to read this and help me out
Kim Merrigton
