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Julirs
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I realize you think we are all of no help-BUT you took on (and your family let you) an exotic pet that can sometimes require expensive Vet care. Your animal needs to see a Vet or will more than likely suffer an painful death. Cool sugar water can sometimes cause the tissue to shrink, but more often than not a Vet needs to insert the tissue in with a stitch or amputate one or both hemipenes.
jannb
Chameleon Enthusiast
I'm sorry that I've not been helpful. With this problem the only thing I would know to do is take him to the vet. There are a couple of vets that post on here maybe you could PM them or one of the more experienced owners. My vet is 2 hours away but I NEVER hesitate to take my guys when there's a problem. We do what we have to to keep our animals healthy.
Eric Adrignola
Avid Member
Ok, he's not taking it to a vet. He's feeling guilty now, but it's out of his hands - he's a minor.
Here's what you do. Get some KY jelly - non-spermicidal, non tingling - just plain lube (look under your parent's bed in that box - you know which one).
Get a Q-tip. Soak it in KY.
Get a good, strong hold of him, with his hemepenes facing you. Gently gently, soak it up with the lube. Get it worked in really well. Start to gently massage it back in by applying light pressure to the end and work towards the base. This will take a while. Eventually, you'll get the blood to start to move into the body, out of his hemepene. When that happens, you can start workign it in, with the q-tip.
This will work if it's not dried out. It takes time, but it does work.
I would not use sugar. It works by creating a hypotonic gradient, the moisture in the hemepenis goes into the sugar solution (diffuses from high concentration to low concentration of water). Problem for me is that sugar is a bad thing to leave inside of a hemepenal sac - I can't imagine what kinds of bacteria will thrive in that!
Just do it. it works.
I think it can be a result of a vitamin problem - a deremensis that was havign this issue also had some mouth abscesses. I increased his vitamin C intake and the problem stopped outright.
Here's what you do. Get some KY jelly - non-spermicidal, non tingling - just plain lube (look under your parent's bed in that box - you know which one).
Get a Q-tip. Soak it in KY.
Get a good, strong hold of him, with his hemepenes facing you. Gently gently, soak it up with the lube. Get it worked in really well. Start to gently massage it back in by applying light pressure to the end and work towards the base. This will take a while. Eventually, you'll get the blood to start to move into the body, out of his hemepene. When that happens, you can start workign it in, with the q-tip.
This will work if it's not dried out. It takes time, but it does work.
I would not use sugar. It works by creating a hypotonic gradient, the moisture in the hemepenis goes into the sugar solution (diffuses from high concentration to low concentration of water). Problem for me is that sugar is a bad thing to leave inside of a hemepenal sac - I can't imagine what kinds of bacteria will thrive in that!
Just do it. it works.
I think it can be a result of a vitamin problem - a deremensis that was havign this issue also had some mouth abscesses. I increased his vitamin C intake and the problem stopped outright.
Julirs
New Member
Eric has great info-but my last prolapse situation was a Vet visit, stitch, multiple trips back to reinsert and failed in the end. Sucrose/sugar water is commonly used. Doing what Eric said I guess is your only option.
My bigger issue is with your parents I guess. I would never let my children get anything that I was not financially willing and able to provide healthcare for. We choose to keep these animals so we choose to be responsible. My parents never let me get anyting that they were not willing and able to provide healthcare for. I am imagining your parents saying, "It's just a stupid lizard."
My bigger issue is with your parents I guess. I would never let my children get anything that I was not financially willing and able to provide healthcare for. We choose to keep these animals so we choose to be responsible. My parents never let me get anyting that they were not willing and able to provide healthcare for. I am imagining your parents saying, "It's just a stupid lizard."
ciafardo 4
New Member
Come on Juli he's seventeen for christ sake what seventeen yearold you know thinks these things through and if he used his own money at that age the parents probably didn't pay any attention its not a perfect world my friend no disrespect meant.
ciafardo 4
New Member
eric your a real good guy to offer this to him it's what he was looking for and it seems to be his only option the box part is to funny 
haha
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Julirs
New Member
Wow-you and I had very different parents-and I am a very different parent.
Just opinions-I don't get bent out of shape ciafardo.
Eric Adrignola
Avid Member
In my opinion, the punitive stuff - the slaps on the wrist - the "you should have done this ____!!" Stuff has it's place.
But, you're never going to get people to do what's right if you just yell at them and tell them what they did wrong. In my previous job, I had to pretty much sell people a multi-thousand dollar septic system that they did not WANT to get (and many didn't have the money to pay for it), and I wasnt' even the one who they had to pay - they had to pay a contractor to do the work. I was free, but it was my job to convince them that they had to do the work ( I had to tell them what was to be done)
The goal is to educate and teach and all that - but it's also to get things done. I'm sure he knows the deal. He cares for the animal, and he has to see it suffer. He can see the mistakes. He's learnign that himself.
When you constantly push the issue - meaning very VERY well and being absolutly correct, mind you - you may not necessarily accomplish the goal.
The lesson is going to be learned weather the animal lives or dies.
Now, we all try to help save the thing. This is a procedure that can be done wiht a lot of time. If the thing is dried out and dead tissue, it is more coplicated. If the tissue is ok, and stll moist and engorged, it will take time and some skill, but it's not something that will even require sedation. In fact, you may want the animal awake so he can help pull it in - which they eventually may do when it gets close.
Intestinal prolapse, different story.
Try to get pics.
But, you're never going to get people to do what's right if you just yell at them and tell them what they did wrong. In my previous job, I had to pretty much sell people a multi-thousand dollar septic system that they did not WANT to get (and many didn't have the money to pay for it), and I wasnt' even the one who they had to pay - they had to pay a contractor to do the work. I was free, but it was my job to convince them that they had to do the work ( I had to tell them what was to be done)
The goal is to educate and teach and all that - but it's also to get things done. I'm sure he knows the deal. He cares for the animal, and he has to see it suffer. He can see the mistakes. He's learnign that himself.
When you constantly push the issue - meaning very VERY well and being absolutly correct, mind you - you may not necessarily accomplish the goal.
The lesson is going to be learned weather the animal lives or dies.
Now, we all try to help save the thing. This is a procedure that can be done wiht a lot of time. If the thing is dried out and dead tissue, it is more coplicated. If the tissue is ok, and stll moist and engorged, it will take time and some skill, but it's not something that will even require sedation. In fact, you may want the animal awake so he can help pull it in - which they eventually may do when it gets close.
Intestinal prolapse, different story.
Try to get pics.
YoshiTheVeiled
New Member
As it's true for humans it also might be true for chameleons but glucose is necrotic to cell tissue. Just a thought.
sandrachameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
Gently trying to reinsert the hemip or intestine with a lubricated object is more or less what a vet will do. This kind of reinsertion procedure is hurtful to the chameleon, especially if done by someone who obviously doesnt have experience. plus there may be need for amputation (which you can not do at home) and stiches (which a typical person can not do at home).
Further, there is a very good chance the tissue is already exposed to bacteria, fungi and there may be dead tissues by now as well.
I suggest BEGGING your parents to take that animal to the vet. Refuse to speak to them unless they do, refuse to eat unless they do, refuse to get out of bed, attend school, do your chores, etc until they do. Use the only power you have over them. CRY. no parent, however irresponsible, likes to see their child cry.
If still they wont do so, I feel very sad for you and your chameleon.
Call an animal shelter (do you have SPCA?) and have the animal humanely put to sleep.
Please dont buy a replacement until you can drive it to the vet yourself and pay for what treatments it will need.
Those of us suggesting a vet visit are not trying to be unhelpful. It's just the only real option. Its like if you said, "I have just amputated my left arm, what should I do?" we'd say get yourself to the doctor pronto. That you dont or cant see a doctor doesnt make the advise to do so less correct. We could tell you to put a turnicate around the stubb of your arm to slow the bleeding. But you're still going to need a doctor.
Further, there is a very good chance the tissue is already exposed to bacteria, fungi and there may be dead tissues by now as well.
I suggest BEGGING your parents to take that animal to the vet. Refuse to speak to them unless they do, refuse to eat unless they do, refuse to get out of bed, attend school, do your chores, etc until they do. Use the only power you have over them. CRY. no parent, however irresponsible, likes to see their child cry.
If still they wont do so, I feel very sad for you and your chameleon.
Call an animal shelter (do you have SPCA?) and have the animal humanely put to sleep.
Please dont buy a replacement until you can drive it to the vet yourself and pay for what treatments it will need.
Those of us suggesting a vet visit are not trying to be unhelpful. It's just the only real option. Its like if you said, "I have just amputated my left arm, what should I do?" we'd say get yourself to the doctor pronto. That you dont or cant see a doctor doesnt make the advise to do so less correct. We could tell you to put a turnicate around the stubb of your arm to slow the bleeding. But you're still going to need a doctor.
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ChrisnLisa
Avid Member
Inferno- Is there any way for you to post a picture of your chameleon from today? It will help others in giving feedback on whether the tissue looks dead or not.
YoshiTheVeiled
New Member
My fault. In the medical field whenever I think of sugar water I automatically jump to the thought of glucose or dextrose. Sucrose is harmless.
inferno
New Member
Thanks for the help im going to try i found a vet that deals with exotics but i think its the vet at the zoo soooo im going to call tomorrow as for now i shall try to get it back in. He looks great moving around staying hydrated just not eating due to probably not wanting to agitate his sore.
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blackbetty
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blackbetty
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Not sure what that means..but its definately Not a picture..
