Using Baytril

[Ryan Jarosek]

be careful with baytril. While it works very well on respiratory infections, you need to make sure that your cham is drinking extra. Otherwise, you will need to inject fluids under the skin. As others have suggested, you really need to see a reptile vet -- one who has actually treated a cham respiratory infection is preferable. But, if it were me and i couldn't get to a vet for a day or two, i would not wait to start the baytril.

A few things:

1. It does have to be refrigerated. It should be clear and not discolored at all.

2. In order to use it properly, you have to know its dilution. E.g., .5 mg per ml.

3. The proper dose (per mader's reptile medicine and surgery) is as follows:

The dose is 5 mg per kg perday. (to figure out the kg from gms, you need to move the decimal three places to the left. For example, 78.5 g rams would be .0785 kg).

Dose x weight/concentration

so, for a cham weighing 78.5 grams (.0785 kg), the equation would be

5 x .0785/.5 mg = 0.3925/.5 = .785 dose

you will need a small insulin syringe to draw the medication out of the vial. Detach the needle and administer with the blunt end of the syringe near the back of the mouth. Follow with a syringe of water (or as much as you can get in there).

You need to keep track of the urates to make sure they are sufficiently substantial (baytril can cause orange discoloration). Dehydration and baytril do not mix.

for anyone reading this thread!!!!! This is good information

 

[Jackson14]

These are the EXACT conditions my Cham had before he died. My vet gave him the baytril injections in his backside. The vet gave the injection as well supplied the medicine for only $1.50! The vet administering the shot would be best as well as cost efficient.

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

These are the EXACT conditions my Cham had before he died. My vet gave him the baytril injections in his backside. The vet gave the injection as well supplied the medicine for only $1.50! The vet administering the shot would be best as well as cost efficient.

I would recommend oral baytril unless it was at the point the chameleon could not take it orally as local tissue reactions may occasionally occur at the injection site.

 

[spadefish]

These are the EXACT conditions my Cham had before he died. My vet gave him the baytril injections in his backside. The vet gave the injection as well supplied the medicine for only $1.50! The vet administering the shot would be best as well as cost efficient.

Ryan is right. Baytril can cause some nasty tissue necrosis at the injection site and probably burns like hell. Oral baytril works really well.

 

[pssh]

I dont think it is a very good idea to put this up. You can actually buy baytril online (cattle strength!!!) That is not good information for people to attempt to use as I'm sure many will not understand most/all of it and may end up frying their chameleon's kidneys. If one doesn't understand the reason, one is more likely to carry the method out incorrectly.

The majority of the people that I have met wouldn't even know where to begin with dilution let alone correct dosing.

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

I dont think it is a very good idea to put this up. You can actually buy baytril online (cattle strength!!!) That is not good information for people to attempt to use as I'm sure many will not understand most/all of it and may end up frying their chameleon's kidneys. If one doesn't understand the reason, one is more likely to carry the method out incorrectly.

The majority of the people that I have met wouldn't even know where to begin with dilution let alone correct dosing.

I didn't give up the info for the reason you stated but...

Its up, what do you do now other than tell people its good info. Do you disagree with the info??? It is not legal to purchase baytril without a prescription so if someone is ignorant enough to break the law that's their problem. If you get it from the vet and have it on hand it is important to know how to use it. If you buy something for a cow and give it to you chameleon you should not be keeping animals.

Those who don't understand it should go to the vet. Saying its not good information is completely false. Show where the information is inaccurate. The information is good. I have the reptile med and surgery book too and the information is all over the internet. If you look hard enough you will find it. Better to have some good info in a thread of misconception and false information than to try and keep it a secret.

You can buy viagra and all kinds of meds online without a prescription doesn't mean it legal or right...

 

[pssh]

I did not say it is inaccurate or false. I said I dont think it is a good idea to post it or for people to attempt to use it (see later sentences for reasoning.) If you got it from a vet, they should have taught you how to use it. If they did not, then there is just as big a problem as if the person just bought it. All I meant was, the fact that you can buy cattle strength baytril then use this information, something will end up not so well eventually. I'm saying (IMO) that this information should be kept a little more discretely when such medicine is easy to purchase online, but mostly because the available medicine is cattle strength. Perhaps if the easily obtainable medicine was at a more preferable strength I would be less oppossed to it, but with so much room for error it is bound to happen.

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

I did not say it is inaccurate or false. I said I dont think it is a good idea to post it or for people to use it (see later sentences for reasoning.) If you got it from a vet, they should have taught you how to use it. If they did not, then there is just as big a problem as if the person just bought it. All I meant was, the fact that you can buy cattle strength baytril then use this information, something will end up not so well eventually. I'm saying (IMO) that this information should be kept a little more discretely when such medicine is easy to purchase online, but mostly because the available medicine is cattle strength. Perhaps if the easily obtainable medicine was at a more preferable strength I would be less oppossed to it, but with so much room for error it is bound to happen.

I agreed with you... Maybe you should read my post again. My point is it's already there, posted, done. Don't discredit good information. That is counter productive.

 

[pssh]

I'm not trying to discredit it, just (hopefully) make any readers aware that the room for error when using illegal medicine at cattle strength on an animal that is less than a lb is great and the consequences are great, and in my opinion, not a good idea for the general public to use.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and people use panacur for horses with reptiles all the time.

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

I'm not trying to discredit it, just (hopefully) make any readers aware that the room for error when using illegal medicine at cattle strength on an animal that is less than a lb is great and the consequences are great, and in my opinion, not a good idea for the general public to use.

I totally agree with you

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

EDIT: Oh yeah, and people use panacur for horses with reptiles all the time.

Yup and it works great. Not a prescription med and also very hard to OD. I buy it by the giant tube.

Flaygl on the otherhand is more dangerous and requires a prescription. Proper dosing is very important as compared to panacur. I have never heard of an animal being killed by pancur (not that it hasn't happened). I would think they would drown first

 

[pssh]

Probably, but I was just using it as an example where meds for a large animal can be used for a small animal.

 

[sdheli420]

Both times RI's. Not sure on if it is a special syrup.

just to bring it up again (if it hasent already)..howcome 2 RI's so far..from what i know your set up and care are fine.....( just to ask ..for self speculation, what is your temps and humidity)....it just makes me worry about my chams..(ive never had this problem, but to me its like riding a sport bike..there are two kinds..ones that have gone down, and the ones that WILL go down...)

 

[Jackson14]

They had to give it rectally because he was not eating and would not open his mouth. He then gave him a shot of steroids to boost him appetite because he was being fed by syringe and that's when he died

 

[Kodos2150]

refrigeration is a must for compounded baytril. It is a broad spectrum antibiotic and sadly, giving it orally isn't the best route. My reptile vet hates giving baytril orally to reptiles because their physiology is so different from warm blooded animals, the bioavailability from oral antibiotics isn't that great. You should take him to a vet ASAP and the vet may give you eyedrops and most likely an injectiable antibiotic

 

[ColorCham427]

Wowww Ryan you sure beat the crap outta me! I saw my Vet immediately... I haven't been on the forums all too lately.

 

[Kelley Meyer]

Spadefish - if you must give out specifics of dosages could you please do it in a PM? Dosing medication is not for inexperienced people and should not be taken lightly. Merely finding a recommended dose does not take into account the type of infection or condition of the animal and the dose may need to be adjusted based on a number of factors that can really only be determined by a vet or really experienced person. It's just not the best idea to give out specific dosing information on a public forum. People may not even know how to properly calculate the dose even with that information. You didn't even provide units that your final dose is in. Milliliters, milligrams, grams? This kind of things leads to overdosing and under dosing - both detrimental in their own right. What you said about dehydration is very correct though.

I just put my cham on Baytril. He’s 31g and the dosage ends up being .03 mL

 

[jannb]

Wow! This is an old one! I see friends from many years ago.

 

[kinyonga]

@Kelley Meyer ....you should start your own thread....and tell us why you put your chameleon in baytril without a vets input, I assume.

Have. You stopped giving your chameleon ice chips?

 

[ferretinmyshoes]

I just put my cham on Baytril. He’s 31g and the dosage ends up being .03 mL

Per the quote you referenced from me in your post, this is not appropriate information to share. What is the concentration? 0.03ml of a 20mg/ml concentration is very different than 0.03ml of one that is 100mg/ml. Also that quote was from a 2011 thread. Please start a new thread if you have questions or concerns about your chameleon so you can get advice relevant to your situation.